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I won’t write as much as you, but anyway, CCs were cheap before Biden - not sure how much it’s changed with him. I spent a year at a CC so I know what it’s like

I won’t write as much as you, but anyway, CCs were cheap before Biden - not sure how much it’s changed with him. I spent a year at a CC so I know what it’s like and you are doing a lot of exaggerating. E.g. listings a bunch of bogus fees that would never all apply to a single person and are typically small. And it’s not hard to get exemptions for hardship or retake classes… you don’t get booted out forever. Also, complaining about a 6 credit hour minimum, really? It sounds like you want adult daycare where everyone gets an A and can then continue on to Berkeley. If you actually spent time around a CC then you would know that there are lot of unserious people that come through and refuse to put in the minimal effort and fail for that reason. What usually happens if that they grow up (e.g. get a job and get married) and come back later and do much better.

nebula8804 5y ago
> but anyway, CCs were cheap before Biden - not sure how much it’s changed with him. Cheap is relative depending on your income level. Prices have also been going up year after year so when you went to school may not reflect current prices. Seeing as you seem to have a mentality that is not considering of facts on the ground, it appears like you went to school quite a while ago. >I spent a year at a CC so I know what it’s like So did I, In fact I worked with CC professors and administrators. I mentioned that in the reply you clearly didn't read. >and you are doing a lot of exaggerating. E.g. listings a bunch of bogus fees that would never all apply to a single person and are typically small. Of course not every fee applies to every student but the point was that all these fees are a further hinderance to paying for that tuition. Furthermore, if the fees are supposedly so cheap, why aren't they covered? Surely if you think it isn't an issue then just extend the full coverage to all students no? > And it’s not hard to get exemptions for hardship or retake classes… you don’t get booted out forever. I'm not sure if you just misread my statement or just don't care but I am referring to NJ's specific program. Of course you don't get booted out of CC, it is open enrollment! But this rule is just another way to filter out even more people, like I said, screw up your one chance and you are finished, on to the street with you. >Also, complaining about a 6 credit hour minimum, really? Yes because about 13M people hold two or more jobs. [1]: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/06/about-thirteen-million-united-states-workers-have-more-than-one-job.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/06/about-thirtee... Sure it won't harm every applicant but yet again for the nth time, the point is that it is another hurdle preventing people from escaping their current conditions. Again if this is such a non-issue to you then surely you'd agree the rule is dumb and should be removed no? >It sounds like you want adult daycare where everyone gets an A and can then continue on to Berkeley. I don't know where these smug idiots crawled out of after Trump got elected but I remember a time on HN when your kind of personality wasn't constantly roaming around and acting in bad faith. >If you actually spent time around a CC then you would know that there are lot of unserious people that come through and refuse to put in the minimal effort and fail for that reason. What usually happens if that they grow up (e.g. get a job and get married) and come back later and do much better. Completely disagree: The majority of the people who were failing out of those remedial courses were middle age or older. Yes there are young people fresh out of HS flunking out but they are a smaller percentage of people and typically do not take those remedial courses. Those courses start at more of a high school level. Thats how bad it is although it seems like you live in a different universe so I wouldn't expect you to realize it anyway.

nebula8804 5y ago

> but anyway, CCs were cheap before Biden - not sure how much it’s changed with him. Cheap is relative depending on your income level. Prices have also been going up year after year so when you went to school may not reflect current prices. Seeing as you seem to have a mentality that is not considering of facts on the ground, it appears like you went to school quite a while ago. >I spent a year at a CC so I know what it’s like So did I, In fact I worked with CC professors and administrators. I mentioned that in the reply you clearly didn't read. >and you are doing a lot of exaggerating. E.g. listings a bunch of bogus fees that would never all apply to a single person and are typically small. Of course not every fee applies to every student but the point was that all these fees are a further hinderance to paying for that tuition. Furthermore, if the fees are supposedly so cheap, why aren't they covered? Surely if you think it isn't an issue then just extend the full coverage to all students no? > And it’s not hard to get exemptions for hardship or retake classes… you don’t get booted out forever. I'm not sure if you just misread my statement or just don't care but I am referring to NJ's specific program. Of course you don't get booted out of CC, it is open enrollment! But this rule is just another way to filter out even more people, like I said, screw up your one chance and you are finished, on to the street with you. >Also, complaining about a 6 credit hour minimum, really? Yes because about 13M people hold two or more jobs. [1]: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/06/about-thirteen-million-united-states-workers-have-more-than-one-job.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/06/about-thirtee... Sure it won't harm every applicant but yet again for the nth time, the point is that it is another hurdle preventing people from escaping their current conditions. Again if this is such a non-issue to you then surely you'd agree the rule is dumb and should be removed no? >It sounds like you want adult daycare where everyone gets an A and can then continue on to Berkeley. I don't know where these smug idiots crawled out of after Trump got elected but I remember a time on HN when your kind of personality wasn't constantly roaming around and acting in bad faith. >If you actually spent time around a CC then you would know that there are lot of unserious people that come through and refuse to put in the minimal effort and fail for that reason. What usually happens if that they grow up (e.g. get a job and get married) and come back later and do much better. Completely disagree: The majority of the people who were failing out of those remedial courses were middle age or older. Yes there are young people fresh out of HS flunking out but they are a smaller percentage of people and typically do not take those remedial courses. Those courses start at more of a high school level. Thats how bad it is although it seems like you live in a different universe so I wouldn't expect you to realize it anyway.