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Math isn't the thing tripping you up. If we're talking about relative personal risk assessment, you need to incorporate natural immunity, omicron, the waning e

by gfodor 5y ago

Math isn't the thing tripping you up. If we're talking about relative personal risk assessment, you need to incorporate natural immunity, omicron, the waning effect of the vaccines, demographic skew on both sides of this, uncertainty about the mechanism and scope of side effects, and a bunch of other things beyond dividing two numbers together.

RC_ITR 5y ago
What? 1/10,000 men develop a medical problem from taking a vaccine. Around 2/10,000 men die from not having access to the vaccine (I don't have the data, but I imagine most of those under 40 men died unvaccinated based on this [0]) You can mental gymnastics all you want about 'personal risk,' and 'natural immunity,' but at least agree that's not a data-driven approach. [0]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-co...
- gfodor 5y ago
  The data says: - Youth + non-obesity reduces risk from COVID - BA.X are less dangerous than previous variants - Vaccine induced heart damage is more likely in younger men - The vaccine induced immunity drops off after 5 months due to waning + evolutionary pressure - Natural immunity of a prior infection confers protection towards BA.X I'm not doing any mental gymnastics. I stated specifically: your counterargument is one for some arguments, not others. I am illustrating clearly when what you wrote is not a meaningful counterargument if it is being used to persuade someone to get vaccinated or to justify a mandate when, for example, that person is a young, healthy man who has already had COVID. Now go ahead and reply again with another thinly veiled insult, citing broad, long term statistics and dividing two numbers. It reflects poorly on you.

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Math isn't the thing tripping you up. If we're talking about relative personal risk assessment, you need to incorporate natural immunity, omicron, the waning e

by gfodor 5y ago

RC_ITR 5y ago
What? 1/10,000 men develop a medical problem from taking a vaccine. Around 2/10,000 men die from not having access to the vaccine (I don't have the data, but I imagine most of those under 40 men died unvaccinated based on this [0]) You can mental gymnastics all you want about 'personal risk,' and 'natural immunity,' but at least agree that's not a data-driven approach. [0]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-co...
- gfodor 5y ago
  The data says: - Youth + non-obesity reduces risk from COVID - BA.X are less dangerous than previous variants - Vaccine induced heart damage is more likely in younger men - The vaccine induced immunity drops off after 5 months due to waning + evolutionary pressure - Natural immunity of a prior infection confers protection towards BA.X I'm not doing any mental gymnastics. I stated specifically: your counterargument is one for some arguments, not others. I am illustrating clearly when what you wrote is not a meaningful counterargument if it is being used to persuade someone to get vaccinated or to justify a mandate when, for example, that person is a young, healthy man who has already had COVID. Now go ahead and reply again with another thinly veiled insult, citing broad, long term statistics and dividing two numbers. It reflects poorly on you.