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> You’re using it wrong. It’s not a problem, just use it right. Right, but if your design encourages users to use it wrong then it's a problem with the design.

> You’re using it wrong. It’s not a problem, just use it right. Right, but if your design encourages users to use it wrong then it's a problem with the design. > Apple isn’t going to change their products just because you can’t remember to charge them. Their target audience can. Right, that's why I don't use Apple products. Because in many cases they don't change their products to better suit their users. > They aren’t going to switch to inferior batteries because you can’t use the product right, because most people can use the product right with no problems. "inferior batteries" how? AAAs charge effectively instantly because you can switch them out instantly. The magic mouse even originally ran on two AAs! A pair of rechargable eneloop pro AAs have 2500 mAH capacity at 1.2 V. So they would have similar capacity as the battery pack in the modern magic mouse. And it's not like I'm the only one who can't remember to charge them. The linked article mentions the author has a very similar problem. > It’s not a better product if it allows that. So they don’t. You still haven't told me why you think this... > And if you don’t like it there’s a market full of wired and wireless mice on batteries or whatever you want. Probably a lot cheaper too. Agreed.

tinus_hn 5y ago
How does the design of a rechargeable mouse encourage you to forget to charge it. It makes no sense. The original whine fest is about not being able to use the mouse while it’s wired. That’s because Apple wants you to enjoy using it wirelessly. It’s not hard and if you make a mistake, you can charge it to last a day in the time it takes to make coffee. No big deal. If you forget to charge it overnight, there’s a new chance tomorrow. Oh and the Magic Mouse 2 features a 1986 mAh battery at 4.2v which really is quite a bit more energy than your pair of batteries of 2500 mAh at 1.2v. Unsurprisingly of course, otherwise we’d all have cellphones running on aaa batteries. You’re not the target audience, you don’t need to tell Apple you’d want the charging port to be somewhere else, it’s a pretty obvious choice they can think of themselves. Clearly they purposefully made the different choice. And between you and Apple it’s probably also clear who is selling a ton of mice and who is not.
- nulld3v 5y ago
  > How does the design of a rechargeable mouse encourage you to forget to charge it. It makes no sense. If the charge port was not on the bottom I would not be able to forget to charge it. Therefore by putting the charge port on the bottom they have raised the probability that I forget to charge the mouse. > The original whine fest is about not being able to use the mouse while it’s wired. That’s because Apple wants you to enjoy using it wirelessly. It’s not hard and if you make a mistake, you can charge it to last a day in the time it takes to make coffee. No big deal. If you forget to charge it overnight, there’s a new chance tomorrow. Sure, it may not be a big deal. But it's something that can be improved. > Oh and the Magic Mouse 2 features a 1986 mAh battery at 4.2v which really is quite a bit more energy than your pair of batteries of 2500 mAh at 1.2v. Unsurprisingly of course, otherwise we’d all have cellphones running on aaa batteries. The iFixit teardown says that it runs at 3.67V? Did they change it recently? Here's where I found it: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Magic+Mouse+2+Battery+Replaceme https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Magic+Mouse+2+Battery+Replaceme... > You’re not the target audience, you don’t need to tell Apple you’d want the charging port to be somewhere else, it’s a pretty obvious choice they can think of themselves. Clearly they purposefully made the different choice. And between you and Apple it’s probably also clear who is selling a ton of mice and who is not. Hmm, does Apple sell a ton of mice though? Certainly not more than Logitech, which is the brand I currently use (and I have quite a few gripes with their mice too). I criticize Apple because I really want to buy their products. Their products offer features that other companies cannot dream of developing. I believe it makes total sense for a consumer to wish for products that better cater to their preferences. I can't force them to listen to me though, and obviously they shouldn't just do everything I tell them to do.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    The type of batteries in Magic Mouse 2 provides a range of voltages as they are being used, from about 3.5v to 4.2. No matter which value you choose, it’s still more energy than your inferior batteries. This discussion is pointless, you’re just rehashing a tired argument that is completely obvious to anyone and in their design Apple chose to ignore it and that’s all that matters. It wouldn’t even surprise me if Apple chose to ignore it just to give the typical armchair design crowd something to philosophize about. They are never going to buy the products anyway so they are a lost cause.
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tinus_hn 5y ago

How does the design of a rechargeable mouse encourage you to forget to charge it. It makes no sense. The original whine fest is about not being able to use the mouse while it’s wired. That’s because Apple wants you to enjoy using it wirelessly. It’s not hard and if you make a mistake, you can charge it to last a day in the time it takes to make coffee. No big deal. If you forget to charge it overnight, there’s a new chance tomorrow. Oh and the Magic Mouse 2 features a 1986 mAh battery at 4.2v which really is quite a bit more energy than your pair of batteries of 2500 mAh at 1.2v. Unsurprisingly of course, otherwise we’d all have cellphones running on aaa batteries. You’re not the target audience, you don’t need to tell Apple you’d want the charging port to be somewhere else, it’s a pretty obvious choice they can think of themselves. Clearly they purposefully made the different choice. And between you and Apple it’s probably also clear who is selling a ton of mice and who is not.

nulld3v 5y ago
> How does the design of a rechargeable mouse encourage you to forget to charge it. It makes no sense. If the charge port was not on the bottom I would not be able to forget to charge it. Therefore by putting the charge port on the bottom they have raised the probability that I forget to charge the mouse. > The original whine fest is about not being able to use the mouse while it’s wired. That’s because Apple wants you to enjoy using it wirelessly. It’s not hard and if you make a mistake, you can charge it to last a day in the time it takes to make coffee. No big deal. If you forget to charge it overnight, there’s a new chance tomorrow. Sure, it may not be a big deal. But it's something that can be improved. > Oh and the Magic Mouse 2 features a 1986 mAh battery at 4.2v which really is quite a bit more energy than your pair of batteries of 2500 mAh at 1.2v. Unsurprisingly of course, otherwise we’d all have cellphones running on aaa batteries. The iFixit teardown says that it runs at 3.67V? Did they change it recently? Here's where I found it: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Magic+Mouse+2+Battery+Replaceme https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Magic+Mouse+2+Battery+Replaceme... > You’re not the target audience, you don’t need to tell Apple you’d want the charging port to be somewhere else, it’s a pretty obvious choice they can think of themselves. Clearly they purposefully made the different choice. And between you and Apple it’s probably also clear who is selling a ton of mice and who is not. Hmm, does Apple sell a ton of mice though? Certainly not more than Logitech, which is the brand I currently use (and I have quite a few gripes with their mice too). I criticize Apple because I really want to buy their products. Their products offer features that other companies cannot dream of developing. I believe it makes total sense for a consumer to wish for products that better cater to their preferences. I can't force them to listen to me though, and obviously they shouldn't just do everything I tell them to do.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  The type of batteries in Magic Mouse 2 provides a range of voltages as they are being used, from about 3.5v to 4.2. No matter which value you choose, it’s still more energy than your inferior batteries. This discussion is pointless, you’re just rehashing a tired argument that is completely obvious to anyone and in their design Apple chose to ignore it and that’s all that matters. It wouldn’t even surprise me if Apple chose to ignore it just to give the typical armchair design crowd something to philosophize about. They are never going to buy the products anyway so they are a lost cause.

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