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These both demand behaviour changes. Using renewable energy is a behaviour change (although no one's running their own oil refinery in their backyard) even if i

These both demand behaviour changes. Using renewable energy is a behaviour change (although no one's running their own oil refinery in their backyard) even if it's at a different tier and eating plant based meats is CERTAINLY a behaviour change. I think asking everyone to start eating mediocre faux-ground-beef is a pretty big behaviour change.

shafyy 5y ago
Following that logic, eating lab-grown meat will is also a behavior change. So, my point still stands.
- Nathanael_M 5y ago
  I didn't say it wasn't a behaviour change. This was a response to your statement that your solutions didn't demand behaviour changes, when they both demand significant behaviour changes. My argument, which I have yet to state in this dialogue, is that lab grown meat offers the opportunity to provide an experience very similar to eating "real" meat at a lower cost to the consumer, thus making it a viable alternative in ways that today's current plant based meat substitutes aren't. I am definitely open to plant based meat substitutes taking that role, but in their current form that would still require a large behaviour change by a large percentage of the population. Now renewable energy is different discussion and that requires a much smaller number of people to make (albeit much larger) behaviour changes.
  - shafyy 5y ago
    Fair enough. But the reality is that lab grown meat doesn't exist, so we are not certain how it will taste. Plant-based meats have come a long way in the past 5 years. Let's see where they are in another 5 years, at which point lab grown meat still won't exist at a scale and price point that's available to the mainstream consumer. I don't have anything against people pursuing lab grown meat research. I'm just a bit pissed that "futuristic" solutions get so much more mainstream media attention than practical solutions that already have an impact today.
    - Nathanael_M 5y ago
      Fair points. I like that we have lots of different smart people tackling the problem from different angles, though. I’m optimistic about technology here because I don’t think people will trade concrete quality of life now for abstract quality of life in the future. What’s your favourite plant based meat? I’ll try it next time I go get groceries.
      - shafyy 5y ago
        Impossible is by far the best (I moved back to Europe couple of years ago and sadly they don't sell it here yet). I also heard their new nuggets are great, but haven't tried them yet. Beyond Meat is also good, but I think Impossible is another ballgame. Tofurkey also makes great cold cuts (haven't tried their bugers yet). And then there are a bunch of smaller brands making great products, too. But it's a bit of a hit and miss with them, so you need to try a bunch to find something you like.

shafyy 5y ago

Following that logic, eating lab-grown meat will is also a behavior change. So, my point still stands.

Nathanael_M 5y ago
I didn't say it wasn't a behaviour change. This was a response to your statement that your solutions didn't demand behaviour changes, when they both demand significant behaviour changes. My argument, which I have yet to state in this dialogue, is that lab grown meat offers the opportunity to provide an experience very similar to eating "real" meat at a lower cost to the consumer, thus making it a viable alternative in ways that today's current plant based meat substitutes aren't. I am definitely open to plant based meat substitutes taking that role, but in their current form that would still require a large behaviour change by a large percentage of the population. Now renewable energy is different discussion and that requires a much smaller number of people to make (albeit much larger) behaviour changes.
- shafyy 5y ago
  Fair enough. But the reality is that lab grown meat doesn't exist, so we are not certain how it will taste. Plant-based meats have come a long way in the past 5 years. Let's see where they are in another 5 years, at which point lab grown meat still won't exist at a scale and price point that's available to the mainstream consumer. I don't have anything against people pursuing lab grown meat research. I'm just a bit pissed that "futuristic" solutions get so much more mainstream media attention than practical solutions that already have an impact today.
  - Nathanael_M 5y ago
    Fair points. I like that we have lots of different smart people tackling the problem from different angles, though. I’m optimistic about technology here because I don’t think people will trade concrete quality of life now for abstract quality of life in the future. What’s your favourite plant based meat? I’ll try it next time I go get groceries.
    - shafyy 5y ago
      Impossible is by far the best (I moved back to Europe couple of years ago and sadly they don't sell it here yet). I also heard their new nuggets are great, but haven't tried them yet. Beyond Meat is also good, but I think Impossible is another ballgame. Tofurkey also makes great cold cuts (haven't tried their bugers yet). And then there are a bunch of smaller brands making great products, too. But it's a bit of a hit and miss with them, so you need to try a bunch to find something you like.