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Sure, but a response could have been to invade Donbas, or some other retaliatory measure. Instead he’s bombing Ukraine into the ground including hospitals. I’

by zpeti 5y ago

Sure, but a response could have been to invade Donbas, or some other retaliatory measure. Instead he’s bombing Ukraine into the ground including hospitals. I’m not quite sure if you are saying this is natos fault, but the level of escalation here from Putin is ridiculous.

0xy 5y ago
- gwd 5y ago
  > I never said it was justified. > ...the US has been pushing buttons for months. Those are in contradiction. If someone is being irrationally controlling, then standing up to them and trying to protect their victims isn't "pushing buttons".
  - 0xy 5y ago
    There is no contradiction there. The US being incompetent and pushing buttons can be the motivation for actions that are unjustified in scope. I think the disconnect here is that you believe me being able to describe Putin's motivations means I somehow agree with them. Claims like Putin is invading to expand territory is conspiracy theory, and likely Ukrainian propaganda (like the debunked Ghost of Kyiv and Snake Island propaganda that covered HN). During war, both sides spill propaganda and lies. Just because one country is clearly in the wrong doesn't mean you should dutifully swallow the other side's propaganda.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  > You asked about motivation, and I told you what they were. No, you said what Putin claimed his motivations were. Very different things. It's clear what he's said and at least some of it is clearly bullshit, like the thing about Nazis and Ukraine committing genocide in the east. Even he doesn't believe that so it can't be a motivation. More like an excuse.
- moistly 5y ago
  > woefully incompetent Kamala Harris Look, we get it. Your hatred for the woman is absolute. But, hey, a hint: when you continually use loaded, abusive language in every post you make, you neuter yourself. You present as one who is incapable of reasoned arguments, who flies off the handle, who is immune to constructive dialog. In short, you set yourself up to be downvoted, flagged, ignored, and perhaps even shadow-banned. In short, your use of button-pushing language shows you to be woefully incompetent at effective argumentation.
rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
>Instead he’s bombing Ukraine into the ground including hospitals. Was that the main objective? As a 30+ y-o, I'm familiar with collateral damages but they usually result from the US or their allies. Why would this bombing be considered differently, especially if Russia use less precise weapons (for lack of other options). >I’m not quite sure if you are saying this is natos fault, but the level of escalation here from Putin is ridiculous. What did NATO do with regard to every Russian requests regarding neutral states between NATO and Russia? Do you remember how the US reacted when the USSR put missiles in Cuba?
- metamet 5y ago
  > What did NATO do with regard to every Russian requests regarding neutral states between NATO and Russia? You mean like the Budapest Memorandum[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...

by zpeti 5y ago

0xy 5y ago

gwd 5y ago
> I never said it was justified. > ...the US has been pushing buttons for months. Those are in contradiction. If someone is being irrationally controlling, then standing up to them and trying to protect their victims isn't "pushing buttons".
- 0xy 5y ago
  There is no contradiction there. The US being incompetent and pushing buttons can be the motivation for actions that are unjustified in scope. I think the disconnect here is that you believe me being able to describe Putin's motivations means I somehow agree with them. Claims like Putin is invading to expand territory is conspiracy theory, and likely Ukrainian propaganda (like the debunked Ghost of Kyiv and Snake Island propaganda that covered HN). During war, both sides spill propaganda and lies. Just because one country is clearly in the wrong doesn't mean you should dutifully swallow the other side's propaganda.
akvadrako 5y ago
> You asked about motivation, and I told you what they were. No, you said what Putin claimed his motivations were. Very different things. It's clear what he's said and at least some of it is clearly bullshit, like the thing about Nazis and Ukraine committing genocide in the east. Even he doesn't believe that so it can't be a motivation. More like an excuse.
moistly 5y ago
> woefully incompetent Kamala Harris Look, we get it. Your hatred for the woman is absolute. But, hey, a hint: when you continually use loaded, abusive language in every post you make, you neuter yourself. You present as one who is incapable of reasoned arguments, who flies off the handle, who is immune to constructive dialog. In short, you set yourself up to be downvoted, flagged, ignored, and perhaps even shadow-banned. In short, your use of button-pushing language shows you to be woefully incompetent at effective argumentation.

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago

>Instead he’s bombing Ukraine into the ground including hospitals. Was that the main objective? As a 30+ y-o, I'm familiar with collateral damages but they usually result from the US or their allies. Why would this bombing be considered differently, especially if Russia use less precise weapons (for lack of other options). >I’m not quite sure if you are saying this is natos fault, but the level of escalation here from Putin is ridiculous. What did NATO do with regard to every Russian requests regarding neutral states between NATO and Russia? Do you remember how the US reacted when the USSR put missiles in Cuba?

metamet 5y ago
> What did NATO do with regard to every Russian requests regarding neutral states between NATO and Russia? You mean like the Budapest Memorandum[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...