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Yeah I'm not an expert on this conflict, but have been following it closely enough. I'm pretty confused as to why people are invoking genocide, because I haven'

Yeah I'm not an expert on this conflict, but have been following it closely enough. I'm pretty confused as to why people are invoking genocide, because I haven't seen any evidence to indicate that's what is happening. There was the bombing of the children's hospital, which may turn out to be a war crime, but I don't see how anyone can know whether it was intentional. And if collateral civilian deaths are equated with genocide, then what should we call the US wars in the middle east?

giraffe_lady 5y ago
> then what should we call the US wars in the middle east? almost there keep going.
- danielvaughn 5y ago
  But they weren't genocide.
slibhb 5y ago
People use "genocide" to mean "thing I don't like" and "Hitler" to mean "person I don't like".
zpeti 5y ago
Because Ukraine are clearly playing a very good social media game, and on social media words like Hitler and genocide work very well.
yks 5y ago
What is "genocide" to you if not erasure of cultural identity and physical eradication of peoples? Putin literally told us himself that "there are no distinct Ukrainian people" which is erasure of cultural identity, and the indiscriminate killing of civilians is the physical eradication. It's not just about the hospital, the scale of atrocities against civilians is already way beyond the US wars in the Middle East and it's done on purpose. They haven't setup the gas chambers, I give you that, but the future of Ukrainian identity if Russia prevails is grim.
- danielvaughn 5y ago
  Okay, that's a good point and I can understand where you're coming from. It seems to be true that if Russia were to succeed, there wouldn't be much difference between the situation of the Ukrainians and that of the Uyghurs.
- lm28469 5y ago
  This thread is just painful to read, open a damn history book. Do you want to know what Russia does when they want to exterminate people ? They pound the cities until there is nothing left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–1995) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–1995) What's happening in Ukraines right now is nothing in comparison, and even the Grozny siege isn't considered a genocide.
  - yks 5y ago
    They are pounding the Ukrainian cities like Grozny right now (where they have the ability)
    - lm28469 5y ago
      I haven't read any sources corroborating that, actually the contrary, regardless that would still "just" be a war crime, not a genocide. afaik Kharkiv is the most badly bombed city right now and it's nowhere close to Grozny (yet?) I know everyone is emotional and outraged, it's not an outrage competition though, using big (and invalid) words doesn't help
      - yks 5y ago
        Smaller town on the outskirts of Kharkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87VbZjqyaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87VbZjqyaY Kharkiv itself: https://tinyurl.com/nh4kwymp https://tinyurl.com/nh4kwymp. It is way larger than Grozny so there is more buildings left to pound.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

> then what should we call the US wars in the middle east? almost there keep going.

danielvaughn 5y ago
But they weren't genocide.

slibhb 5y ago

People use "genocide" to mean "thing I don't like" and "Hitler" to mean "person I don't like".

zpeti 5y ago

Because Ukraine are clearly playing a very good social media game, and on social media words like Hitler and genocide work very well.

yks 5y ago

What is "genocide" to you if not erasure of cultural identity and physical eradication of peoples? Putin literally told us himself that "there are no distinct Ukrainian people" which is erasure of cultural identity, and the indiscriminate killing of civilians is the physical eradication. It's not just about the hospital, the scale of atrocities against civilians is already way beyond the US wars in the Middle East and it's done on purpose. They haven't setup the gas chambers, I give you that, but the future of Ukrainian identity if Russia prevails is grim.

danielvaughn 5y ago
Okay, that's a good point and I can understand where you're coming from. It seems to be true that if Russia were to succeed, there wouldn't be much difference between the situation of the Ukrainians and that of the Uyghurs.
lm28469 5y ago
This thread is just painful to read, open a damn history book. Do you want to know what Russia does when they want to exterminate people ? They pound the cities until there is nothing left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–1995) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–1995) What's happening in Ukraines right now is nothing in comparison, and even the Grozny siege isn't considered a genocide.
- yks 5y ago
  They are pounding the Ukrainian cities like Grozny right now (where they have the ability)
  - lm28469 5y ago
    I haven't read any sources corroborating that, actually the contrary, regardless that would still "just" be a war crime, not a genocide. afaik Kharkiv is the most badly bombed city right now and it's nowhere close to Grozny (yet?) I know everyone is emotional and outraged, it's not an outrage competition though, using big (and invalid) words doesn't help
    - yks 5y ago
      Smaller town on the outskirts of Kharkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87VbZjqyaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87VbZjqyaY Kharkiv itself: https://tinyurl.com/nh4kwymp https://tinyurl.com/nh4kwymp. It is way larger than Grozny so there is more buildings left to pound.