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Just as sanctions hit with historic speed and scope it is possible that damages could be reversed as quickly. This could become an opportunity to make long need

Just as sanctions hit with historic speed and scope it is possible that damages could be reversed as quickly. This could become an opportunity to make long needed capital improvements. Either way it needs to be acknowledged that the past is a poor guide to this current situation.

Robotbeat 5y ago
Destruction versus creation are asymmetric. It is faster to destroy than to build.
- jethro_tell 5y ago
  Our continued ripple effects in the supply chain are a pretty good reminder. You get minor bottle necks and the working system breaks. To start or rebuild the system you start will all the bottle necks and have to add the pieces one at a time until you have something working.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    Maybe this time around people will build a bit more slack in their logistics. Maximizing profit and efficiency is what got us into this mess. Younger me was appalled when I learned most everyone seems to operate in a just-in-time fashion. Remember when you could go to the supermarket and ask if they have any extra in the back room? Stores don't even have that any more, everything shipped to the store goes straight to the shelf. Then COVID comes along and fucks that up.
    - Robotbeat 5y ago
      All of life is logistics. There’s no getting around the need to try to maximize efficiency. You can choose to improve resilience as well, of course. Supermarkets don’t usually have much extra stuff because they carry a lot of perishable stuff. This is no different than outdoor markets for millennia. If anything, we’re a bit better off due to refrigeration and better preservation techniques, but if you have too much slop, that just means greater food wastage. There is still a backroom for places I go. You can see it behind the milk cartons.
      - tomc1985 5y ago
        You can keep reserves for select nonperishables. In any case, one of my siblings works at a national supermarket chain and it works as I described
        Robotbeat 5y ago
        Sounds expensive? I doubt it was common to do so in the past, except for government (i.e. for disaster/war preparedness, etc)
flavius29663 5y ago
I hope not. Russia has been doing this kind of stuff for the past 300 years, in Eastern Europe. It's just now that the West started to care. They were always imperialistic, and never cared for human lives.
- dreen 5y ago
  Yeah, thats the imperialist mentality. The west didnt care as much until recently due to being imperialists themselves, but this is no longer the guiding policy (though still a sentiment present in politics and societies).
  - flavius29663 5y ago
    well, I for one hope that the world changed forever, and the wars are now economic and cybernetic. Russia with late middle age tactics and 20th century fascism can just be walled off for all I care. When they evolve to present day they should be allowed out.
  - toyg 5y ago
    > this is no longer the guiding policy After 20 years of failed Western imperial warfare over several countries, this statement is really, really incorrect. The problem is, in fact, that imperialism got back on the menu in 2001, and in 2003 it became the main dish. At that point, anyone who had a doubt on what to choose, followed the chef's advice. It would have been silly not to.
    - dreen 5y ago
      The US is a country with the strongest Imperial streak in the west, that is true, but youre still comparing apples to oranges. The Russian brand of imperialism is something from colonialist times, and involves eradicating entire populations, nationalities, to replace with their own. They forcibly resettled over 20 million people last century (or maybe that was just Stalin), countries with rich history which simply do not exist anymore. And the Russian society allows this, because the imperialist mentality is so prevalent that the state gets away with it, because they cannot do wrong, and because the mental slavery of a large part of the population is unshakeable. And just because these conflicts existed doesnt mean imperialism guides everything. If it did, and the US practiced full imperialism they would own half of middle east by now, and millions of arabs would be dead.
pengaru 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Robotbeat 5y ago

Destruction versus creation are asymmetric. It is faster to destroy than to build.

jethro_tell 5y ago
Our continued ripple effects in the supply chain are a pretty good reminder. You get minor bottle necks and the working system breaks. To start or rebuild the system you start will all the bottle necks and have to add the pieces one at a time until you have something working.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  Maybe this time around people will build a bit more slack in their logistics. Maximizing profit and efficiency is what got us into this mess. Younger me was appalled when I learned most everyone seems to operate in a just-in-time fashion. Remember when you could go to the supermarket and ask if they have any extra in the back room? Stores don't even have that any more, everything shipped to the store goes straight to the shelf. Then COVID comes along and fucks that up.
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    All of life is logistics. There’s no getting around the need to try to maximize efficiency. You can choose to improve resilience as well, of course. Supermarkets don’t usually have much extra stuff because they carry a lot of perishable stuff. This is no different than outdoor markets for millennia. If anything, we’re a bit better off due to refrigeration and better preservation techniques, but if you have too much slop, that just means greater food wastage. There is still a backroom for places I go. You can see it behind the milk cartons.
    - tomc1985 5y ago
      You can keep reserves for select nonperishables. In any case, one of my siblings works at a national supermarket chain and it works as I described
      - Robotbeat 5y ago
        Sounds expensive? I doubt it was common to do so in the past, except for government (i.e. for disaster/war preparedness, etc)

flavius29663 5y ago

I hope not. Russia has been doing this kind of stuff for the past 300 years, in Eastern Europe. It's just now that the West started to care. They were always imperialistic, and never cared for human lives.

dreen 5y ago
Yeah, thats the imperialist mentality. The west didnt care as much until recently due to being imperialists themselves, but this is no longer the guiding policy (though still a sentiment present in politics and societies).
- flavius29663 5y ago
  well, I for one hope that the world changed forever, and the wars are now economic and cybernetic. Russia with late middle age tactics and 20th century fascism can just be walled off for all I care. When they evolve to present day they should be allowed out.
- toyg 5y ago
  > this is no longer the guiding policy After 20 years of failed Western imperial warfare over several countries, this statement is really, really incorrect. The problem is, in fact, that imperialism got back on the menu in 2001, and in 2003 it became the main dish. At that point, anyone who had a doubt on what to choose, followed the chef's advice. It would have been silly not to.
  - dreen 5y ago
    The US is a country with the strongest Imperial streak in the west, that is true, but youre still comparing apples to oranges. The Russian brand of imperialism is something from colonialist times, and involves eradicating entire populations, nationalities, to replace with their own. They forcibly resettled over 20 million people last century (or maybe that was just Stalin), countries with rich history which simply do not exist anymore. And the Russian society allows this, because the imperialist mentality is so prevalent that the state gets away with it, because they cannot do wrong, and because the mental slavery of a large part of the population is unshakeable. And just because these conflicts existed doesnt mean imperialism guides everything. If it did, and the US practiced full imperialism they would own half of middle east by now, and millions of arabs would be dead.

pengaru 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window