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It's mostly because of the inability of Russian SAM to detect those. Bayraktar slowlyness seems to be a feature in that regard + it can fly high enough, which

It's mostly because of the inability of Russian SAM to detect those. Bayraktar slowlyness seems to be a feature in that regard + it can fly high enough, which helps. It can also carry 4 missles, which isn't much and needs radio contact, which i thought could be blocked. But weirdly enough, that's not happening.

philistine 5y ago
> But weirdly enough, that's not happening. That has become the defining feature of this conflict. Russian callousness mixed with Ukrainian chutzpah makes this war unique. Let’s not forget that this uniqueness means more pain and death for the civilian population of Ukraine. Russia’s incompetence is killing Russian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, since it seems they moved on to attacking them.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  I am very aware of that. I'm just stating what i think, which is unrelated to the cruelness of this all. The cruelty is what Putin's Russia forced others to comply to their conditions in the past, by literally violating every human norm possible and continueing this, while saying they want to "talk". Especially during so called "ceasefire" peace talks. It's despicable.
throwaways85989 5y ago
They are most lethal in combination with long range artillery.. this was the deadly recipe that helped erdogan to "win" against kurds in syria. Scout, shoot, scout more, shoot again.. with enough experience the artillery can even shoot "with prediction" at the location the goal will be at in x seconds.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  Any source on this? I knew about the relative success, but was unaware of the combo with artillery ( although it makes sense)
  - throwaways85989 5y ago
    https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/turkeys-drone-war-syria-red-team-view https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/turkeys-drone-war-syri... I think it was this one, but there was also one in Forbes. The whole benefit of the drone as artillery eyes, comes into full view, if one reads up on modern artillery. Drones do not have to carry the weapons, thus have more room for spare tanks, thus can circle longer. Artillery has virtual salvos now (if they do not do the full distance combat, which allows them to fire salvos at different arcs, that arrive simultaneously. I have also read somewhere, that some artillery shells now have "last meters" impact guidance (somewhat similar to guided bombs). I can not find that article though.
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      Oh, thanks man! It was an interesting read

philistine 5y ago

> But weirdly enough, that's not happening. That has become the defining feature of this conflict. Russian callousness mixed with Ukrainian chutzpah makes this war unique. Let’s not forget that this uniqueness means more pain and death for the civilian population of Ukraine. Russia’s incompetence is killing Russian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, since it seems they moved on to attacking them.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
I am very aware of that. I'm just stating what i think, which is unrelated to the cruelness of this all. The cruelty is what Putin's Russia forced others to comply to their conditions in the past, by literally violating every human norm possible and continueing this, while saying they want to "talk". Especially during so called "ceasefire" peace talks. It's despicable.

throwaways85989 5y ago

They are most lethal in combination with long range artillery.. this was the deadly recipe that helped erdogan to "win" against kurds in syria. Scout, shoot, scout more, shoot again.. with enough experience the artillery can even shoot "with prediction" at the location the goal will be at in x seconds.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Any source on this? I knew about the relative success, but was unaware of the combo with artillery ( although it makes sense)
- throwaways85989 5y ago
  https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/turkeys-drone-war-syria-red-team-view https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/turkeys-drone-war-syri... I think it was this one, but there was also one in Forbes. The whole benefit of the drone as artillery eyes, comes into full view, if one reads up on modern artillery. Drones do not have to carry the weapons, thus have more room for spare tanks, thus can circle longer. Artillery has virtual salvos now (if they do not do the full distance combat, which allows them to fire salvos at different arcs, that arrive simultaneously. I have also read somewhere, that some artillery shells now have "last meters" impact guidance (somewhat similar to guided bombs). I can not find that article though.
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    Oh, thanks man! It was an interesting read