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Schizophyllum commune, known as the splitgill mushroom, has over 23,000 sexes. Two individuals are sexually compatible based on genes at two sites in their geno

Schizophyllum commune, known as the splitgill mushroom, has over 23,000 sexes. Two individuals are sexually compatible based on genes at two sites in their genome. If a pair has matching genes at either location, the pair is not sexually compatible.

mywacaday 5y ago
Is there any possibility that humans could be similar given that not every couple can have children naturally?
- sharpneli 5y ago
  There is a massive difference. With that kind of mushroom one can expect that any random pair is very likely to match up. With humans you have tad less of 50% chance of being able to make kids with any random otherwise fertile human.
  - openfuture 5y ago
    Err, that is an uncharitable reading of GP imo. If you pair males and females (rather than just "humans") then the anology holds quite well no?
    - sequoia 5y ago
      I think the topic is getting a bit muddled here. Are we talking about couples who can't have children because one or the other is infertile/sterile, or couples who could have children with someone else but not one another? I'm not familiar with this latter scenario. A man being sterile is nothing like this algae's situation, as it has nothing to do with "pairing," he's simply unable to produce children with anyone.
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  How often is the inability to have children naturally dependent on direct compatibility, rather than the ability of one or both partners to have children at all, regardless of partner?
  - chrisdave 5y ago
    This is an interesting idea because it seems like it could be true and we've just never noticed. I'm not sure how you'd go about designing a study but I guess it would be easy to find volunteers.
    - InitialLastName 5y ago
      > but I guess it would be easy to find volunteers. I don't know, in my experience people are sure picky about procreating with random strangers (and the ethical concerns regarding the output of the study are... significant). From people I've known undergoing fertility treatments (and from my own limited research), the issue is frequently traceable to a specific cause in one or both partners (although it appears to be unexplained in about 20% of couples who seek treatment, which would be a small subset of the general population).
giovannibonetti 5y ago
Maybe a HyperLogLog (HLL) data structure would be useful to store all of those options.
- dymk 5y ago
  It’s only 23,000 options, a plaintext file would work fine. Computers are fast.
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im3w1l 5y ago
So just adding more about it, it seems that the sex consists of 4 parts, A-alpha, A-beta, B-alpha, B-beta. To be compatible it has to have differences in (A-alpha OR A-beta) AND (B-Alpha OR B-beta). I can't help but think that this complex system has to have evolved to very precisely control inbreeding rates.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  In plants, your genetic siblings are in many cases growing very physically close to you - especially if the seed dispersal mechanism isn't great. That makes mechanisms to reduce inbreeding even more important.
luckystarr 5y ago
And it's still one species? Wild.
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rmbyrro 5y ago
Imagine the number of pronouns...
lliamander 5y ago
That brings up the question of what one means by "sex". As I understand it, sex is primarily about the kinds of gametes one produces - either large gametes (female) or small gametes (male). The genetic implementation of that is in some sense a secondary detail, since it varies between organisms. Reptiles, for instance, only have XX chromosomes and sex is determined by environment (or something like that). I would expect that in this case the mushroom still only has two types of gametes, and hence only two sexes. There's just an added bit of complexity determining whether a particular pair of gametes can produce a new organism.
- empthought 5y ago
  No, they're isogamous and have no sexes. They do have mating types.
  - lliamander 5y ago
    Ah, that makes sense as well. But the idea of thousands of sexes seemed suspect to me.
empthought 5y ago
These are not sexes but mating types. Schizophyllum is isogamous and has no sexes. An organism's sex is defined by anisogamy.

mywacaday 5y ago

Is there any possibility that humans could be similar given that not every couple can have children naturally?

sharpneli 5y ago
There is a massive difference. With that kind of mushroom one can expect that any random pair is very likely to match up. With humans you have tad less of 50% chance of being able to make kids with any random otherwise fertile human.
- openfuture 5y ago
  Err, that is an uncharitable reading of GP imo. If you pair males and females (rather than just "humans") then the anology holds quite well no?
  - sequoia 5y ago
    I think the topic is getting a bit muddled here. Are we talking about couples who can't have children because one or the other is infertile/sterile, or couples who could have children with someone else but not one another? I'm not familiar with this latter scenario. A man being sterile is nothing like this algae's situation, as it has nothing to do with "pairing," he's simply unable to produce children with anyone.
InitialLastName 5y ago
How often is the inability to have children naturally dependent on direct compatibility, rather than the ability of one or both partners to have children at all, regardless of partner?
- chrisdave 5y ago
  This is an interesting idea because it seems like it could be true and we've just never noticed. I'm not sure how you'd go about designing a study but I guess it would be easy to find volunteers.
  - InitialLastName 5y ago
    > but I guess it would be easy to find volunteers. I don't know, in my experience people are sure picky about procreating with random strangers (and the ethical concerns regarding the output of the study are... significant). From people I've known undergoing fertility treatments (and from my own limited research), the issue is frequently traceable to a specific cause in one or both partners (although it appears to be unexplained in about 20% of couples who seek treatment, which would be a small subset of the general population).

giovannibonetti 5y ago

Maybe a HyperLogLog (HLL) data structure would be useful to store all of those options.

dymk 5y ago
It’s only 23,000 options, a plaintext file would work fine. Computers are fast.
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im3w1l 5y ago

So just adding more about it, it seems that the sex consists of 4 parts, A-alpha, A-beta, B-alpha, B-beta. To be compatible it has to have differences in (A-alpha OR A-beta) AND (B-Alpha OR B-beta). I can't help but think that this complex system has to have evolved to very precisely control inbreeding rates.

londons_explore 5y ago
In plants, your genetic siblings are in many cases growing very physically close to you - especially if the seed dispersal mechanism isn't great. That makes mechanisms to reduce inbreeding even more important.

luckystarr 5y ago

And it's still one species? Wild.

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rmbyrro 5y ago

Imagine the number of pronouns...

lliamander 5y ago

That brings up the question of what one means by "sex". As I understand it, sex is primarily about the kinds of gametes one produces - either large gametes (female) or small gametes (male). The genetic implementation of that is in some sense a secondary detail, since it varies between organisms. Reptiles, for instance, only have XX chromosomes and sex is determined by environment (or something like that). I would expect that in this case the mushroom still only has two types of gametes, and hence only two sexes. There's just an added bit of complexity determining whether a particular pair of gametes can produce a new organism.

empthought 5y ago
No, they're isogamous and have no sexes. They do have mating types.
- lliamander 5y ago
  Ah, that makes sense as well. But the idea of thousands of sexes seemed suspect to me.

empthought 5y ago

These are not sexes but mating types. Schizophyllum is isogamous and has no sexes. An organism's sex is defined by anisogamy.