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As a product manager I just want to say how impressed I am about Orion’s decision to not do any form of in-app tracking and instead to actively solicit and act

As a product manager I just want to say how impressed I am about Orion’s decision to not do any form of in-app tracking and instead to actively solicit and act on user feedback. This kind of decision takes courage in this day and age of detailed usage analytics. I might try it out in my own projects.

imbnwa 5y ago
As a Beta user, they intend on selling browser licenses IIRC
- billbrown 5y ago
  I think what the comment you're replying to meant was that the product team isn't capturing and reviewing user activity to figure out what the user's are doing or wanting.
  - kwonkicker 5y ago
    I think what the comment you are replying to means is that priorities can change, even more so if there is a change of ownership in the horizon.
    - imbnwa 5y ago
      See my sibling comment to yours for clarification on my mistake, but to respond I don't think Vlad intends on selling the browser since he needs it to promote his search engine, Kagi Search. Doesn't completely mitigate the risk but I think enough since its now tablestakes in the search engine space to offer your own browser, Brave is the same way.
  - imbnwa 5y ago
    Yeah, I misread grandparent and thought they were talking about forgoing profit from telemetry, e.g. Google Chrome
    - OrlandoHakim 5y ago
      As GP, to clarify, that was my takeaway - that they intend to forego in-app telemetry completely. Apologies if I was mistaken in my assumption but that was my read. If true, it is a bold move and a strategy I would love to employ if I could convince others on my teem of the merits.
- erics118 5y ago
  This is not true. The only way they will be earning money from Orion is through an optional "Orion Pro" subscription of $5 dollars a month, or $50 dollars a year. This gives you direct communication to the developers, allows you to influence the development of the browser, and have access to a nightly builds of Orion. Check it out here: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#business https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#business

imbnwa 5y ago

As a Beta user, they intend on selling browser licenses IIRC

billbrown 5y ago
I think what the comment you're replying to meant was that the product team isn't capturing and reviewing user activity to figure out what the user's are doing or wanting.
- kwonkicker 5y ago
  I think what the comment you are replying to means is that priorities can change, even more so if there is a change of ownership in the horizon.
  - imbnwa 5y ago
    See my sibling comment to yours for clarification on my mistake, but to respond I don't think Vlad intends on selling the browser since he needs it to promote his search engine, Kagi Search. Doesn't completely mitigate the risk but I think enough since its now tablestakes in the search engine space to offer your own browser, Brave is the same way.
- imbnwa 5y ago
  Yeah, I misread grandparent and thought they were talking about forgoing profit from telemetry, e.g. Google Chrome
  - OrlandoHakim 5y ago
    As GP, to clarify, that was my takeaway - that they intend to forego in-app telemetry completely. Apologies if I was mistaken in my assumption but that was my read. If true, it is a bold move and a strategy I would love to employ if I could convince others on my teem of the merits.
erics118 5y ago
This is not true. The only way they will be earning money from Orion is through an optional "Orion Pro" subscription of $5 dollars a month, or $50 dollars a year. This gives you direct communication to the developers, allows you to influence the development of the browser, and have access to a nightly builds of Orion. Check it out here: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#business https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#business