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I love that the ecosystem is starting to grow again. I'm doing my part in building fantastic developer tools I'd love if Rails' ecosystem becomes more vibrant

I love that the ecosystem is starting to grow again. I'm doing my part in building fantastic developer tools I'd love if Rails' ecosystem becomes more vibrant like Laravels'

berkes 5y ago
I think a major holdback for Ruby, is how tightly it is coupled to Rails. Comments like this show how the community, unconscious, ties them together too. I think for Ruby to truly thrive again, it must become more than 'the language rails was once written in'. I'm a Ruby developer. I don't particularly like Rails (but don't hate or avoid it either) and I'm more and more convinced that Rails is doing Ruby more harm than good in the long run.
- cutler 5y ago
  On the contrary, I think Rails continues to sustain the Ruby ecosystem. It's not like there aren't alternatives such as Sinatra and Grape for microservices. There are also plenty of non-Rails Ruby jobs. If you search for `ruby -rails` on Indeed.co.uk there are 1879 results so 1503 when you factor-out 10% for unrelated results.
  - berkes 5y ago
    The alternatives are certainly there. I'm using Sinatra almost exclusively when I'm not running on Rack directly. There are really neat complete frameworks like hanami, padrino and grape (not sure how active they are, though) too. My point was not that "its impossible" just that compared to other languages, the Rails framework is an Elephant In The Room. Python is much larger than Pytorch, Pandas, Django or whatnot. Typescript was built for React mostly, but outgrew that rapidly. Javascript is no longer focused around on framework (like it was in jQuery times, if you consider jQuery a framework). Java-for-web often boils down to Spring, but Java is much, much more versatile than that. With Ruby? There's chef, puppet, some sinatra, capistrano and then there is ... RAILS!

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I love that the ecosystem is starting to grow again. I'm doing my part in building fantastic developer tools I'd love if Rails' ecosystem becomes more vibrant

by adrianthedev 5y ago

I love that the ecosystem is starting to grow again. I'm doing my part in building fantastic developer tools I'd love if Rails' ecosystem becomes more vibrant like Laravels'

berkes 5y ago
I think a major holdback for Ruby, is how tightly it is coupled to Rails. Comments like this show how the community, unconscious, ties them together too. I think for Ruby to truly thrive again, it must become more than 'the language rails was once written in'. I'm a Ruby developer. I don't particularly like Rails (but don't hate or avoid it either) and I'm more and more convinced that Rails is doing Ruby more harm than good in the long run.
- cutler 5y ago
  On the contrary, I think Rails continues to sustain the Ruby ecosystem. It's not like there aren't alternatives such as Sinatra and Grape for microservices. There are also plenty of non-Rails Ruby jobs. If you search for `ruby -rails` on Indeed.co.uk there are 1879 results so 1503 when you factor-out 10% for unrelated results.
  - berkes 5y ago
    The alternatives are certainly there. I'm using Sinatra almost exclusively when I'm not running on Rack directly. There are really neat complete frameworks like hanami, padrino and grape (not sure how active they are, though) too. My point was not that "its impossible" just that compared to other languages, the Rails framework is an Elephant In The Room. Python is much larger than Pytorch, Pandas, Django or whatnot. Typescript was built for React mostly, but outgrew that rapidly. Javascript is no longer focused around on framework (like it was in jQuery times, if you consider jQuery a framework). Java-for-web often boils down to Spring, but Java is much, much more versatile than that. With Ruby? There's chef, puppet, some sinatra, capistrano and then there is ... RAILS!