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The point is prevention. It promotes tumors once they already exist. It prevents them before they do.

gusgus01 5y ago
The only support for this point I've found is in a few studies in mice. Is there other studies I'm missing or are you making recommendations based on a few studies in mice? "Studies on autophagy-deficient mouse models indicate that the basal levels of autophagy can suppress tumor formation at the initiation of tumor development." - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6274804/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6274804/
epistasis 5y ago
So you have a clinical study showing cancer prevention on this extreme diet? Over what time span and how many individuals, and across what variety of geographic areas and other life experience?
- novok 5y ago
  Most diet tracking nutrition research is not that good, consisting of surveys that ask you what you've eaten for the past year, from memory and then doing correlations. Most people don't remember what they've eaten last week. I think to do something really accurate nutrition wise would cost way too much money and take too long, so it mostly doesn't get done well. So unless you do something specific with faith practice communities that are good about their strict diets and fasting, like Buddhist monks, there probably isn't much good research data for that in the first place. And then that has issues with controlling for other things, like meditating a lot, etc.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33197913/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33197913/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6612215/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6612215/ Its pretty well know mtor/igf-1 stimulates growth. All growth. This is great for youth. Not so much for aging. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY
  - gusgus01 5y ago
    Both of those papers are about the treatment of cancer, not about the avoidance. I don't have the internet connection needed to watch a video, but the video appears to be about longevity.

The only support for this point I've found is in a few studies in mice. Is there other studies I'm missing or are you making recommendations based on a few studies in mice? "Studies on autophagy-deficient mouse models indicate that the basal levels of autophagy can suppress tumor formation at the initiation of tumor development." - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6274804/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6274804/

epistasis 5y ago

So you have a clinical study showing cancer prevention on this extreme diet? Over what time span and how many individuals, and across what variety of geographic areas and other life experience?

novok 5y ago
Most diet tracking nutrition research is not that good, consisting of surveys that ask you what you've eaten for the past year, from memory and then doing correlations. Most people don't remember what they've eaten last week. I think to do something really accurate nutrition wise would cost way too much money and take too long, so it mostly doesn't get done well. So unless you do something specific with faith practice communities that are good about their strict diets and fasting, like Buddhist monks, there probably isn't much good research data for that in the first place. And then that has issues with controlling for other things, like meditating a lot, etc.
loudtieblahblah 5y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33197913/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33197913/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6612215/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6612215/ Its pretty well know mtor/igf-1 stimulates growth. All growth. This is great for youth. Not so much for aging. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY
- gusgus01 5y ago
  Both of those papers are about the treatment of cancer, not about the avoidance. I don't have the internet connection needed to watch a video, but the video appears to be about longevity.