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And these things are bad for us? I mean it's not lead.

by tus666 5y ago

dcchambers 5y ago
> Toxicological studies show that oral doses of nickel and chromium can cause cutaneous adverse reactions such as dermatitis. Literally the first sentence in the abstract when you click the link. The rest of the abstract summarizes the study nicely in a small paragraph.
- lazide 5y ago
  How is that comparable to lead at all?
  - dcchambers 5y ago
    I never said it was. I simply pointed out what the study itself says about the effects of chromium and nickel on the body.
    - lazide 5y ago
      You replied to a comment specifically comparing it to lead?
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- refurb 5y ago
  You do realize “cutaneous adverse reactions such as dermatitis” is just a rash right?
somethoughts 5y ago
Yes is it a feature not a bug? "Nickel is a mineral. It is found in several foods including nuts, dried beans and peas, soybeans, grains, and chocolate. The body needs nickel, but in very small amounts. Nickel is a common trace element in multiple vitamins." [1] [1] https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1223/nickel https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1223/nickel
- convolvatron 5y ago
  chromium isn't so benign, is it?
  - s0rce 5y ago
    From the paper: Low levels of Cr (III) are essential for human health and metabolism of glucose, protein, and fat; however adverse effects of oral Cr exposures, such as dermatitis, are also known Cr (VI) is the bad cancer causing version.
  - 0xbadcafebee 5y ago
    not if its extensions have malware
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  It is a feature, nickel is a cofactor in certain enzymes, and in industrial nations the main source for humans is their stainless steel cookware. On chromium being an essential trace element the jury is still out.
  - margalabargala 5y ago
    You have the two swapped. Chromium is the important trace element, nickel is not known if it's needed.
    - HarryHirsch 5y ago
      Sorry, but that is not correct. Urease is the best-known nickel enzyme (yes, I know, it's bacterial), but there are many more, also in eukaryotes: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pro.3836 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pro.3836 I don't think anyone has discovered a Cr-containing enzyme but there are hints that it is involved in glucose metabolism.
      - margalabargala 5y ago
cyounkins 5y ago
The dose makes the poison. For example, potassium is both a vitamin required for survival and what is used to stop the heart in lethal injection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Potassium_chloride https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Potassium_chl...
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emmelaich 5y ago
Lead is mentioned too :-( >It has been demonstrated that Pb in glazed cookware and storage containers can leach with test acidic solutions and increased with duration of contact Albeit not in steel

And these things are bad for us? I mean it's not lead.

by tus666 5y ago

And these things are bad for us? I mean it's not lead.

> Toxicological studies show that oral doses of nickel and chromium can cause cutaneous adverse reactions such as dermatitis. Literally the first sentence in the abstract when you click the link. The rest of the abstract summarizes the study nicely in a small paragraph.

lazide 5y ago
How is that comparable to lead at all?
- dcchambers 5y ago
  I never said it was. I simply pointed out what the study itself says about the effects of chromium and nickel on the body.
  - lazide 5y ago
    You replied to a comment specifically comparing it to lead?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
refurb 5y ago
You do realize “cutaneous adverse reactions such as dermatitis” is just a rash right?

somethoughts 5y ago

Yes is it a feature not a bug? "Nickel is a mineral. It is found in several foods including nuts, dried beans and peas, soybeans, grains, and chocolate. The body needs nickel, but in very small amounts. Nickel is a common trace element in multiple vitamins." [1] [1] https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1223/nickel https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1223/nickel

convolvatron 5y ago
chromium isn't so benign, is it?
- s0rce 5y ago
  From the paper: Low levels of Cr (III) are essential for human health and metabolism of glucose, protein, and fat; however adverse effects of oral Cr exposures, such as dermatitis, are also known Cr (VI) is the bad cancer causing version.
- 0xbadcafebee 5y ago
  not if its extensions have malware
HarryHirsch 5y ago
It is a feature, nickel is a cofactor in certain enzymes, and in industrial nations the main source for humans is their stainless steel cookware. On chromium being an essential trace element the jury is still out.
- margalabargala 5y ago
  You have the two swapped. Chromium is the important trace element, nickel is not known if it's needed.
  - HarryHirsch 5y ago
    Sorry, but that is not correct. Urease is the best-known nickel enzyme (yes, I know, it's bacterial), but there are many more, also in eukaryotes: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pro.3836 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pro.3836 I don't think anyone has discovered a Cr-containing enzyme but there are hints that it is involved in glucose metabolism.
    - margalabargala 5y ago

cyounkins 5y ago

The dose makes the poison. For example, potassium is both a vitamin required for survival and what is used to stop the heart in lethal injection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Potassium_chloride https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Potassium_chl...

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emmelaich 5y ago

Lead is mentioned too :-( >It has been demonstrated that Pb in glazed cookware and storage containers can leach with test acidic solutions and increased with duration of contact Albeit not in steel