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> Logistics were never the issue Of course. > transfer the migs themselves Again: how?

by T-A 5y ago

omega3 5y ago
Fly them through Poland or through Romania - it doesn't matter. It was never about logistics. The reason Poland wanted to do it this was to involve US and Germany indirectly in the deal.
- T-A 5y ago
  > Fly them through Poland That means Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. If Poland had simply handed over the planes to the Ukrainians in Poland, the result would have been... Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. If Poland had instead handed over the planes to US troops in Poland, without moving them, and the US had then handed them over to the Ukrainians, the result would have been... Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. So you get exactly the same result in all three cases. What Poland doesn't want is Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. > or through Romania Yes, that's what this is really about.
rasz 5y ago
You do realize those are rugged cold war planes? They have zero problem landing on ordinary two lane road. You can fly to the border, land in front of crossing, push planes over the border and let Ukrainians do whatever they want.
- T-A 5y ago
  > You can fly to the border, land in front of crossing, push planes over the border and let Ukrainians do whatever they want. That doesn't solve the real issue, which is, AGAIN, that Poland does not want those planes crossing into Ukraine from its border. Whether they fly in or roll in is utterly irrelevant.
  - rasz 5y ago
    and you know that how? because as its stands its US who is refusing something. US claimed Poland would be giving MIGs for almost two weeks without consulting Polish politicians. Now that they have free reign over the planes all of a sudden "its complicated and untenable"?
    - T-A 5y ago
      > and you know that how It's obvious, as already explained: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621764 In the unlikely case that further elucidation really is needed: Poland didn't need to move the MiGs in order to hand them over to the US. Moving them to Ramstein makes a difference only if they then enter Ukraine from another country. So that's what Poland was really after.

> Logistics were never the issue Of course. > transfer the migs themselves Again: how?

by T-A 5y ago

> Logistics were never the issue Of course. > transfer the migs themselves Again: how?

Fly them through Poland or through Romania - it doesn't matter. It was never about logistics. The reason Poland wanted to do it this was to involve US and Germany indirectly in the deal.

T-A 5y ago
> Fly them through Poland That means Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. If Poland had simply handed over the planes to the Ukrainians in Poland, the result would have been... Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. If Poland had instead handed over the planes to US troops in Poland, without moving them, and the US had then handed them over to the Ukrainians, the result would have been... Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. So you get exactly the same result in all three cases. What Poland doesn't want is Ukrainian MiG-29s crossing into Ukraine from Poland. > or through Romania Yes, that's what this is really about.

rasz 5y ago

You do realize those are rugged cold war planes? They have zero problem landing on ordinary two lane road. You can fly to the border, land in front of crossing, push planes over the border and let Ukrainians do whatever they want.

T-A 5y ago
> You can fly to the border, land in front of crossing, push planes over the border and let Ukrainians do whatever they want. That doesn't solve the real issue, which is, AGAIN, that Poland does not want those planes crossing into Ukraine from its border. Whether they fly in or roll in is utterly irrelevant.
- rasz 5y ago
  and you know that how? because as its stands its US who is refusing something. US claimed Poland would be giving MIGs for almost two weeks without consulting Polish politicians. Now that they have free reign over the planes all of a sudden "its complicated and untenable"?
  - T-A 5y ago
    > and you know that how It's obvious, as already explained: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621764 In the unlikely case that further elucidation really is needed: Poland didn't need to move the MiGs in order to hand them over to the US. Moving them to Ramstein makes a difference only if they then enter Ukraine from another country. So that's what Poland was really after.