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Does the global Internet, or does it not, provide immense value to an economy? If it does, then of course we should consider cutting them off. If not, then IDK

Does the global Internet, or does it not, provide immense value to an economy? If it does, then of course we should consider cutting them off. If not, then IDK why we're all so well-paid. I think the "we could use it to counter propaganda" angle is weak. If Russia thought that might work, they would have already cut it off.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I think the "we could use it to counter propaganda" angle is weak. If Russia thought that might work, they would have already cut it off. More to the point, Russia does think that might work, and has been selectively cutting off the parts that it sees as enabling that. What's left is what the Russian government sees as useful for themselves.
- brimble 5y ago
  Yes, that's a good point. They've shown themselves entirely willing to cut out the parts that they think do them more harm than good. What remains is the part they think is net-beneficial, so unless we think they are very wrong about that it may well be sensible to cut off their access completely, to the extent we are able.
  - baggioronaldo 5y ago
    AFAIK, Russia did not yet turn off YouTube because many millions of Russians use YouTube for entertainment purposes (not for politics) and turning YouTube off would piss off that huge part of the population. It would be more convenient to have YouTube turn itself off, since in that case those millions of Russians would be pissed off at YouTube & USA (instead of being pissed at the Russian government)
    - brimble 5y ago
      If Russia weren't capable of lying, to good effect, about who shut it off, we wouldn't be worried about this to begin with. I don't think it matters who does it.
      - baggioronaldo 5y ago
        Internet is a source of truth, and cutting off internet eliminates Russian access to truth. I think that Russians need to see the truth to attempt to effect change on Russian government, which is needed to stop the war. Cutting off internet will not stop the war. In your opinion, what is the most realistic, fast way to stop Russian war on Ukraine ?

dragonwriter 5y ago

> I think the "we could use it to counter propaganda" angle is weak. If Russia thought that might work, they would have already cut it off. More to the point, Russia does think that might work, and has been selectively cutting off the parts that it sees as enabling that. What's left is what the Russian government sees as useful for themselves.

brimble 5y ago
Yes, that's a good point. They've shown themselves entirely willing to cut out the parts that they think do them more harm than good. What remains is the part they think is net-beneficial, so unless we think they are very wrong about that it may well be sensible to cut off their access completely, to the extent we are able.
- baggioronaldo 5y ago
  AFAIK, Russia did not yet turn off YouTube because many millions of Russians use YouTube for entertainment purposes (not for politics) and turning YouTube off would piss off that huge part of the population. It would be more convenient to have YouTube turn itself off, since in that case those millions of Russians would be pissed off at YouTube & USA (instead of being pissed at the Russian government)
  - brimble 5y ago
    If Russia weren't capable of lying, to good effect, about who shut it off, we wouldn't be worried about this to begin with. I don't think it matters who does it.
    - baggioronaldo 5y ago
      Internet is a source of truth, and cutting off internet eliminates Russian access to truth. I think that Russians need to see the truth to attempt to effect change on Russian government, which is needed to stop the war. Cutting off internet will not stop the war. In your opinion, what is the most realistic, fast way to stop Russian war on Ukraine ?