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For anybody considering getting a dog - please consider adopting rather than buying. • You’re Saving A Life Adopting a dog from a shelter not only means that

For anybody considering getting a dog - please consider adopting rather than buying. • You’re Saving A Life Adopting a dog from a shelter not only means that you’re giving him a happy life, but you also free up a spot at the rescue or shelter to save another dog’s life. • Helps Fight Puppy Mills Approximately 90% of puppies you can buy in pet stores or online are from puppy mills. Adopting a dog from a shelter takes business away from mills. The more people who adopt, the more puppy mills have a hard time staying in business. More reasons: https://www.caninejournal.com/adopt-dont-shop/ https://www.caninejournal.com/adopt-dont-shop/

vgel 5y ago
Except every dog adoption place around here has requirements like "Must be an experienced dog owner, have a 5 acre yard, own your home, and be able to do 50 push-ups without getting out of breath. Expert sword-swallowers preferred."
- chockchocschoir 5y ago
  Ok, so the above recommendation doesn't work for you, just ignore it then. What you are saying doesn't apply everywhere, and I doubt it applies in most places around the world, since shelters usually have way too many dogs and would love to be able to find anyone to care for them before they have to effectively execute them.
- zanellato19 5y ago
  I got my current dog from simply showing and saying "I want that one" and then signing a paper saying I won't abuse him.
epolanski 5y ago
- jim-jim-jim 5y ago
  - epolanski 5y ago
    I have long ago learned that most care about environment as long as it doesn't impact their life and what they like. Makes people feel uneasy.
    - munificent 5y ago
      I mean... should people not be able to like things?
    - lghh 5y ago
      Have you considered the environmental impact of using this site? It’s certainly not free.
      - stjohnswarts 5y ago
        that's what I'm thinking if you want to suck all the joy out of life just move to the woods and live off the land, have the least environment impact possible
    - jiscariot 5y ago
      Spend 50k on a Tesla and you get to enhance you lifestyle, signal your eco-solidarity and to some extent, affluence. Bang for buck, if you really care about the environment, don't have children. There is nothing that comes close to impact.
  - raffraffraff 5y ago
    As I've said elsewhere, I do not drive, fly, eat meat or have kids. My laptop is a 8 years, my phone is a repairable FP3 which has had several parts replaced over the last 3 years. And yes, I rescued two greyhounds from a cruel fate, and I feed them kibble (reconstituted / recovered meat). I have zero problem with the latter, and still call myself am environmentalist.
- cgriswald 5y ago
  > The idea that we grow food to feed cattle or fish to feed pets is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of. The meats that dogs and cats eat are essentially the waste products from meat production aimed at human consumption. You can certainly find some exceptions (especially on Instragram), but the vast, vast majority of people, even those feeding raw diets to their pets, use either meat not meant for human consumption or offal that most Americans don't consume.
- munificent 5y ago
  Also, if you care about the environment, don't have children. And, really, best to off yourself as well. Might want to take down a few less enlightened folks with you when you go.
  - arbitrary_name 5y ago
    What an odd response. Did the prior post upset you in some way? Not having dogs and children are both reasonable and moral responses to the climate crisis. Suicide and murder are not.
    - trevcanhuman 5y ago
      Why are they not ? This is more of an ethical dilemma. I agree with @ munificient. I could probably list a lot of things that do a lot of bad for the environment. But making everything hyper-efficient and reducing on EVERYTHING we almost possibly do just takes away our basic freedoms. I'm not saying you're wrong about not having dogs. I have one myself but yeah, you're right. It's like having a child. But I like being able to choose having it or not.
    - munificent 5y ago
      > Did the prior post upset you in some way? There is a perspective I see sometimes where some people have elevated environmentalism so high in their value system relative to all else that they end up in a moral position where consuming any resources at all which all living things do is somehow morally unconscionable. My comment sounds like a joke, but it's not far off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Mov... Reasonable environmentalists think humans have as much right to exist and seek joy as any other living being as long as it's done in a sustainable way. We just want people to, you know, maybe walk to work instead of driving sometimes. Don't litter. Push your government to pass laws against pollution. There are lobbyists and well-funded organizations pushing against any progress on the environment and the existence of extreme views like "you're a horrible person if you —checks notes—have a fucking dog" makes it too easy for those groups to paint all environmentalists as out of touch kooks. That's the last thing we need. The parent comment described pet ownership as "is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of". Call me crazy, but a couple of meaty snacks for Fido is pretty far down the list after, I don't know, carbon emissions, greenhouse gases, coral bleaching, acid rain, deforestation, fuel oil, fracking, chemical dumping, nuclear weapons, water table draining, etc.
- froddd 5y ago
  > The idea that we grow food to feed cattle or fish to feed pets is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of. That is the wildest exaggeration I can think of. I’m also vegetarian, though I am because I’d rather not kill things when I don’t need to. The environmental benefit is an appreciable side effect, and confirms to me I’ve made the right choice for myself. I like to try to share my views with as many people as I can, but I think expecting everyone to ‘just get it’ is setting yourself up for failure, and ultimately unhelpful in the long run.
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  The choice is: "Not rescuing a dog from the pound" vs what? ..."leaving them there to wait a few more weeks/months in a cage before being put to sleep"? Nah. Have you ever bonded with a dog? Nah. I'll take dogs over people any day. I'm all for closing puppy mills/farms, neutering etc but I draw the line at "don't rescue a dog that already exists" Even premium dog kibble is made out of the lowest quality junk meat left over from what people eat. I too am a vegetarian (and I don't have kids, and have never owned a car and gave up flying years ago). But I do not begrudge my two hounds their bag of kibble. I'm fact I'd be willing to bet that my household CO² footprint is lower than yours, even with my two greyhounds.
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  If you're adopting a rescue animal, there is no environmental argument. My dog was bred for racing, a cruel and violent industry that throws the dogs away like garbage when they are no longer used. I don't think there's any ethical argument to be made against adopting a dog like that. If people giving their cats cat food is enough to make you question your commitment to vegetarianism, maybe you're not really that committed? You should do things for yourself, and base their value on the decisions of others
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vgel 5y ago

Except every dog adoption place around here has requirements like "Must be an experienced dog owner, have a 5 acre yard, own your home, and be able to do 50 push-ups without getting out of breath. Expert sword-swallowers preferred."

chockchocschoir 5y ago
Ok, so the above recommendation doesn't work for you, just ignore it then. What you are saying doesn't apply everywhere, and I doubt it applies in most places around the world, since shelters usually have way too many dogs and would love to be able to find anyone to care for them before they have to effectively execute them.
zanellato19 5y ago
I got my current dog from simply showing and saying "I want that one" and then signing a paper saying I won't abuse him.

epolanski 5y ago

jim-jim-jim 5y ago
- epolanski 5y ago
  I have long ago learned that most care about environment as long as it doesn't impact their life and what they like. Makes people feel uneasy.
  - munificent 5y ago
    I mean... should people not be able to like things?
  - lghh 5y ago
    Have you considered the environmental impact of using this site? It’s certainly not free.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      that's what I'm thinking if you want to suck all the joy out of life just move to the woods and live off the land, have the least environment impact possible
  - jiscariot 5y ago
    Spend 50k on a Tesla and you get to enhance you lifestyle, signal your eco-solidarity and to some extent, affluence. Bang for buck, if you really care about the environment, don't have children. There is nothing that comes close to impact.
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  As I've said elsewhere, I do not drive, fly, eat meat or have kids. My laptop is a 8 years, my phone is a repairable FP3 which has had several parts replaced over the last 3 years. And yes, I rescued two greyhounds from a cruel fate, and I feed them kibble (reconstituted / recovered meat). I have zero problem with the latter, and still call myself am environmentalist.
cgriswald 5y ago
> The idea that we grow food to feed cattle or fish to feed pets is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of. The meats that dogs and cats eat are essentially the waste products from meat production aimed at human consumption. You can certainly find some exceptions (especially on Instragram), but the vast, vast majority of people, even those feeding raw diets to their pets, use either meat not meant for human consumption or offal that most Americans don't consume.
munificent 5y ago
Also, if you care about the environment, don't have children. And, really, best to off yourself as well. Might want to take down a few less enlightened folks with you when you go.
- arbitrary_name 5y ago
  What an odd response. Did the prior post upset you in some way? Not having dogs and children are both reasonable and moral responses to the climate crisis. Suicide and murder are not.
  - trevcanhuman 5y ago
    Why are they not ? This is more of an ethical dilemma. I agree with @ munificient. I could probably list a lot of things that do a lot of bad for the environment. But making everything hyper-efficient and reducing on EVERYTHING we almost possibly do just takes away our basic freedoms. I'm not saying you're wrong about not having dogs. I have one myself but yeah, you're right. It's like having a child. But I like being able to choose having it or not.
  - munificent 5y ago
    > Did the prior post upset you in some way? There is a perspective I see sometimes where some people have elevated environmentalism so high in their value system relative to all else that they end up in a moral position where consuming any resources at all which all living things do is somehow morally unconscionable. My comment sounds like a joke, but it's not far off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Mov... Reasonable environmentalists think humans have as much right to exist and seek joy as any other living being as long as it's done in a sustainable way. We just want people to, you know, maybe walk to work instead of driving sometimes. Don't litter. Push your government to pass laws against pollution. There are lobbyists and well-funded organizations pushing against any progress on the environment and the existence of extreme views like "you're a horrible person if you —checks notes—have a fucking dog" makes it too easy for those groups to paint all environmentalists as out of touch kooks. That's the last thing we need. The parent comment described pet ownership as "is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of". Call me crazy, but a couple of meaty snacks for Fido is pretty far down the list after, I don't know, carbon emissions, greenhouse gases, coral bleaching, acid rain, deforestation, fuel oil, fracking, chemical dumping, nuclear weapons, water table draining, etc.
froddd 5y ago
> The idea that we grow food to feed cattle or fish to feed pets is among the biggest environmental stupidity I can think of. That is the wildest exaggeration I can think of. I’m also vegetarian, though I am because I’d rather not kill things when I don’t need to. The environmental benefit is an appreciable side effect, and confirms to me I’ve made the right choice for myself. I like to try to share my views with as many people as I can, but I think expecting everyone to ‘just get it’ is setting yourself up for failure, and ultimately unhelpful in the long run.
raffraffraff 5y ago
The choice is: "Not rescuing a dog from the pound" vs what? ..."leaving them there to wait a few more weeks/months in a cage before being put to sleep"? Nah. Have you ever bonded with a dog? Nah. I'll take dogs over people any day. I'm all for closing puppy mills/farms, neutering etc but I draw the line at "don't rescue a dog that already exists" Even premium dog kibble is made out of the lowest quality junk meat left over from what people eat. I too am a vegetarian (and I don't have kids, and have never owned a car and gave up flying years ago). But I do not begrudge my two hounds their bag of kibble. I'm fact I'd be willing to bet that my household CO² footprint is lower than yours, even with my two greyhounds.
schwartzworld 5y ago
If you're adopting a rescue animal, there is no environmental argument. My dog was bred for racing, a cruel and violent industry that throws the dogs away like garbage when they are no longer used. I don't think there's any ethical argument to be made against adopting a dog like that. If people giving their cats cat food is enough to make you question your commitment to vegetarianism, maybe you're not really that committed? You should do things for yourself, and base their value on the decisions of others

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