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'Isolating Russia' -- Didn't they just ban FB and Twitter there? Aren't they cutting off their own internet as well? How is this the west doing? The west is

'Isolating Russia' -- Didn't they just ban FB and Twitter there? Aren't they cutting off their own internet as well? How is this the west doing? The west is not isolating them, just they are self isolating. All independent media had to shut down there.

jolmg 5y ago
> The west is not isolating them, just they are self isolating. Western services are also cutting them off. I get the sense that's helping Putin. An example: > Namecheap: Russia Service Termination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812 Maybe a DNS service is not the best example, but I feel like it's not the only service that I've seen do this. EDIT: Better example: > Internet backbone provider shuts off service in Russia https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/5/22962822/internet-backbone-provider-cogent-shuts-off-service-russia https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/5/22962822/internet-backbone...
- ardit33 5y ago
  And your point is? They can use their own services, nobody wants to prevent that. But guess what? Putin doesn't like its citizen's to be able to read outside sources and is shutting things outside access himself. Even BBC has to restart using AM radio for its russian services (not done since the Cold War). Stop 'victim playing' and blaming the west, when you should be blaming your leader for the massive censorship going on in Russia right now.
  - jolmg 5y ago
    > Stop 'victim playing' and blaming the west, when you should be blaming your leader for the massive censorship going on in Russia right now. TF? I'm not Russian. I put a better example.
  - KBme 5y ago
  - nix23 5y ago
    Look i get it, you are angry but stop telling people that their leader is someone and accuse them of "victim playing", was Trump your leader? Has anyone told you that you are playing victim? Was Bush Jr your leader the guy who attacked two Country's and lied about Chemical weapons in Iraq..where did i heard something like that lately? https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-moscows-claims-of-biological-weapons-programme-in-war-hit-country-are-absurd-propaganda-says-us-12561787 https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-moscows-claims-of-bio...
  - orbital-decay 5y ago
    It seems nobody here actually read the OP, jumping straight to the flamewar in comments. Lumen and Cogent already stopped peering with Russian ISPs. It's not Russian government, and they are doing the dirty work for the Russian government. This is not about punishment or providing services, this is about peering and basic connectivity at the backbone level. It can break the Internet as the common medium, and not just for Russia. This sets the precedent that undermines decades of development and can make the biggest contribution to peace in the history of humanity fall apart into different bubbles.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >can make the biggest contribution to peace in the history of humanity fall apart into different bubbles. Very powerful message and on point, it's no wonder every dictator shuts the net down when things start to turn/burn internally.
- fennecfoxen 5y ago
  The Internet — both the network backbone and the many websites that operate on the Internet — is mostly operated for profit, and running it isn't free. Collecting payment from Russian sources right now is dodgy; payment providers are unlikely to help, banks are sanctioned, and the risk of not getting paid is high. Moscow currency exchanges have been shut down, and we see the government decree that bonds denominated in foreign currencies will be paid in rubles. Certain foreign entities are seeing their property and businesses in Russia nationalized (as a kind of retaliation for ceasing business). This environment of elevated risk is ample reason for any international business to avoid business with Russian nationals, other Russian entities, and anything to do with Russia, generally, at this time. It is unfortunate that Russian citizens may see less of the outside world as a consequence of these high level sanctions and of this politically risky situation. It is not the responsibility of these operators to remedy that.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - dunkelheit 5y ago
    If history is any guide, businesses are totally ok with dodgy payment methods (Russia paid Pepsi with warships once) and dealing with governments that are not that respectful towards private property as long as profit is expected. The main risks now are reputational. Cynically, I would put it that way - withdrawing from Russia has gone viral, all the cool kids are doing it.
EugeneOZ 5y ago
There are examples in the article.

jolmg 5y ago

> The west is not isolating them, just they are self isolating. Western services are also cutting them off. I get the sense that's helping Putin. An example: > Namecheap: Russia Service Termination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812 Maybe a DNS service is not the best example, but I feel like it's not the only service that I've seen do this. EDIT: Better example: > Internet backbone provider shuts off service in Russia https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/5/22962822/internet-backbone-provider-cogent-shuts-off-service-russia https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/5/22962822/internet-backbone...

ardit33 5y ago
And your point is? They can use their own services, nobody wants to prevent that. But guess what? Putin doesn't like its citizen's to be able to read outside sources and is shutting things outside access himself. Even BBC has to restart using AM radio for its russian services (not done since the Cold War). Stop 'victim playing' and blaming the west, when you should be blaming your leader for the massive censorship going on in Russia right now.
- jolmg 5y ago
  > Stop 'victim playing' and blaming the west, when you should be blaming your leader for the massive censorship going on in Russia right now. TF? I'm not Russian. I put a better example.
- KBme 5y ago
- nix23 5y ago
  Look i get it, you are angry but stop telling people that their leader is someone and accuse them of "victim playing", was Trump your leader? Has anyone told you that you are playing victim? Was Bush Jr your leader the guy who attacked two Country's and lied about Chemical weapons in Iraq..where did i heard something like that lately? https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-moscows-claims-of-biological-weapons-programme-in-war-hit-country-are-absurd-propaganda-says-us-12561787 https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-moscows-claims-of-bio...
- orbital-decay 5y ago
  It seems nobody here actually read the OP, jumping straight to the flamewar in comments. Lumen and Cogent already stopped peering with Russian ISPs. It's not Russian government, and they are doing the dirty work for the Russian government. This is not about punishment or providing services, this is about peering and basic connectivity at the backbone level. It can break the Internet as the common medium, and not just for Russia. This sets the precedent that undermines decades of development and can make the biggest contribution to peace in the history of humanity fall apart into different bubbles.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >can make the biggest contribution to peace in the history of humanity fall apart into different bubbles. Very powerful message and on point, it's no wonder every dictator shuts the net down when things start to turn/burn internally.
fennecfoxen 5y ago
The Internet — both the network backbone and the many websites that operate on the Internet — is mostly operated for profit, and running it isn't free. Collecting payment from Russian sources right now is dodgy; payment providers are unlikely to help, banks are sanctioned, and the risk of not getting paid is high. Moscow currency exchanges have been shut down, and we see the government decree that bonds denominated in foreign currencies will be paid in rubles. Certain foreign entities are seeing their property and businesses in Russia nationalized (as a kind of retaliation for ceasing business). This environment of elevated risk is ample reason for any international business to avoid business with Russian nationals, other Russian entities, and anything to do with Russia, generally, at this time. It is unfortunate that Russian citizens may see less of the outside world as a consequence of these high level sanctions and of this politically risky situation. It is not the responsibility of these operators to remedy that.
- deleted 5y ago
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- dunkelheit 5y ago
  If history is any guide, businesses are totally ok with dodgy payment methods (Russia paid Pepsi with warships once) and dealing with governments that are not that respectful towards private property as long as profit is expected. The main risks now are reputational. Cynically, I would put it that way - withdrawing from Russia has gone viral, all the cool kids are doing it.

EugeneOZ 5y ago

There are examples in the article.