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The sanctions will stop when Russia halts its invasion. It's not like this is a one-sided affair. Russia has decided its invasion is worth more than sanctions o

The sanctions will stop when Russia halts its invasion. It's not like this is a one-sided affair. Russia has decided its invasion is worth more than sanctions on its own people. No country owes it to any other country to trade with them. Any country absolutely has the right to revoke its willingness to trade with other countries on a case by case basis. Any country or organization that sanctions Russia is doing the right thing, too; all decent people in the world should be using all non-violent means at the minimum to make war so costly for aggressors that war becomes near-impossible. If anything, Russia is not sanctioned enough currently. Edit: Don't forget that there are > 2 million Ukrainian refugees currently who have been forced to flee their country. Those that continue to live in Ukraine are having their homes and infrastructure bombed or disconnected. The suffering of the Russian people due to these sanctions pales in comparison to the suffering that the Russian government/military is directly inflicting on Ukrainians. Those sanctions will be lifted as soon as Russia stops inflicting harm on Ukrainians.

oh_sigh 5y ago
What is your history with sanctioning? What country are you from? Have you ever sanctioned anyone before in this manner? Israel? Syria? Iraq? The US? China? India? I never said sanctioning couldn't be done. I'm just saying if your sanctions affect random citizens who are already powerless, and not the leaders of the country, then you're just being an asshole, and no, you aren't helping.
- fouc 5y ago
  Sanctions are a step down from going to war. Are you advocating that sanctions should be skipped, and we should just go straight to war? Sanctions are just one of the few tools in the toolbox that can be used to punish a country's leadership, besides going to war.
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    I've already stated that I'm okay with sanctions that target the actual leadership of Russia but not random citizens who already have no power over their government.
    - fouc 5y ago
      How is that possible? Leadership already steal from their citizens anyways.
- beebmam 5y ago
  Are you claiming that sanctions on Russia will affect ONLY the average citizens of Russia; that is, are you arguing that sanctions on Russia will have ZERO effect on the country's ability to wage its aggressive war in Ukraine? It seems to me that this is your implied argument here, and if so, that's straight up incorrect. If that ISN'T your argument, is your argument then: "Sanctions will affect both the Russian government's ability to wage war AND the Russian people, and because the sanctions affect the Russian people, they are not justified" ? Could it ever be the case that sanctions could affect only a government's ability to wage war and never the people of a country? Are you then arguing that sanctions are never justified no matter the circumstances? How far are you willing to take this argument? Should a country be forced to trade and engage in business with a country that is currently invading them? I really don't understand exactly what you're arguing here and I'd appreciate clarification
pydry 5y ago
>The sanctions will stop when Russia halts its invasion. I kind of doubt that. I think it might bea while until these sanctions are taken down.
- beebmam 5y ago
  Dialing back the sanctions are a key bargaining tool. They certainly will be reduced as the invasion stops and recedes. And they'll be dialed up as they continue

oh_sigh 5y ago

What is your history with sanctioning? What country are you from? Have you ever sanctioned anyone before in this manner? Israel? Syria? Iraq? The US? China? India? I never said sanctioning couldn't be done. I'm just saying if your sanctions affect random citizens who are already powerless, and not the leaders of the country, then you're just being an asshole, and no, you aren't helping.

fouc 5y ago
Sanctions are a step down from going to war. Are you advocating that sanctions should be skipped, and we should just go straight to war? Sanctions are just one of the few tools in the toolbox that can be used to punish a country's leadership, besides going to war.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  I've already stated that I'm okay with sanctions that target the actual leadership of Russia but not random citizens who already have no power over their government.
  - fouc 5y ago
    How is that possible? Leadership already steal from their citizens anyways.
beebmam 5y ago
Are you claiming that sanctions on Russia will affect ONLY the average citizens of Russia; that is, are you arguing that sanctions on Russia will have ZERO effect on the country's ability to wage its aggressive war in Ukraine? It seems to me that this is your implied argument here, and if so, that's straight up incorrect. If that ISN'T your argument, is your argument then: "Sanctions will affect both the Russian government's ability to wage war AND the Russian people, and because the sanctions affect the Russian people, they are not justified" ? Could it ever be the case that sanctions could affect only a government's ability to wage war and never the people of a country? Are you then arguing that sanctions are never justified no matter the circumstances? How far are you willing to take this argument? Should a country be forced to trade and engage in business with a country that is currently invading them? I really don't understand exactly what you're arguing here and I'd appreciate clarification

pydry 5y ago

>The sanctions will stop when Russia halts its invasion. I kind of doubt that. I think it might bea while until these sanctions are taken down.

beebmam 5y ago
Dialing back the sanctions are a key bargaining tool. They certainly will be reduced as the invasion stops and recedes. And they'll be dialed up as they continue