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The benefit of the coding puzzle platforms is as a hiring firm you get shown data about all applicants who took that test, and it’s standardised. You also get

The benefit of the coding puzzle platforms is as a hiring firm you get shown data about all applicants who took that test, and it’s standardised. You also get pretty high resolution data about how your applicant performed (like their intermediate submissions, editing history etc) and how their solution performs compared to other applicants. So all of that comparative info on a less directly relevant test can actually be more useful than n=2 or 3 on a direct proxy of your actual job. Also I disagree with the premise that these exercises don’t carry over. The ability to puzzle through an algorithm you haven’t seen before in under an hour is directly useful and a common task in any domain that is algorithmically complex and not just gluing CRUD frameworks together (and even that gets complex once the scale is big enough)

nouveaux 5y ago
> The benefit of the coding puzzle platforms is as a hiring firm you get shown data about all applicants who took that test, and it’s standardised. You're arguing that standardized testing is a good indicator of candidate outcome. If this was the case, Universities would not be ditching the SATs en masse. When you test for programming puzzles, you're just filtering out people who have grinded leetcode, just like how the SATs filtered out people who took SAT prep classes. If that's your goal, great. However, we shouldn't pretend programming puzzles are a good way to filter for great engineers. I can guarantee you that leetcode is filtering out a lot of great engineers.
- caffeine 5y ago
  Universities are ditching the SAT en masse because it is an excellent predictor of outcome, and that is interfering with affirmative action political objectives (much easier to get away with racially discriminating against more-qualified Asian applicants if you can deny knowing they were more qualified). My goal in running a team is performance rather than political signalling, so I prefer to use the best performance metrics available to me.

nouveaux 5y ago

> The benefit of the coding puzzle platforms is as a hiring firm you get shown data about all applicants who took that test, and it’s standardised. You're arguing that standardized testing is a good indicator of candidate outcome. If this was the case, Universities would not be ditching the SATs en masse. When you test for programming puzzles, you're just filtering out people who have grinded leetcode, just like how the SATs filtered out people who took SAT prep classes. If that's your goal, great. However, we shouldn't pretend programming puzzles are a good way to filter for great engineers. I can guarantee you that leetcode is filtering out a lot of great engineers.

caffeine 5y ago
Universities are ditching the SAT en masse because it is an excellent predictor of outcome, and that is interfering with affirmative action political objectives (much easier to get away with racially discriminating against more-qualified Asian applicants if you can deny knowing they were more qualified). My goal in running a team is performance rather than political signalling, so I prefer to use the best performance metrics available to me.