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I usually switch from 'work' to 'dumping everything in my head that I haven't already documented in to a doc'. I've never really been sure if anyone ever reads

I usually switch from 'work' to 'dumping everything in my head that I haven't already documented in to a doc'. I've never really been sure if anyone ever reads the doc. I guess that means I stop working. EDIT: You're on day 4 with 6 more to go, so that means you're giving 10 days notice? My current contract says I need to give 3 months. Most roles prior to that have been 4 weeks. What sort of job has such a short notice period?

simonblack 5y ago
When you're counting work days, 4 weeks is 20 days. 10 days is two weeks notice. Some countries/states have no notice period at all. (How could you work under conditions like that? How could you plan anything? That would include tasks at work, your mortgage, your holidays, etc, etc.)
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andrewmcwatters 5y ago
Standard US practice is 2 weeks, 10 business days notice.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_period#Notice_periods_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_period#Notice_periods_i...
hemloc_io 5y ago
Haha I'm in the USA. Labor protections don't really exist but neither do obligations, I couldn't imagine giving 4 weeks+ notice unless it's around the holidays or something.
- ruh-roh 5y ago
  Early in my career I just did the standard '2 weeks' thing, but as I progressed I extended to 4 (and in one case I gave 6). In my mind, I thought it was respectful to the company, helped soften the blow on finding a replacement, gave loads of time to recruit/promote and transfer knowledge, etc. But after reflection, that was a mistake. 4-6 weeks is an eternity in product & engineering time. Too much time to sit around and work-but-not-really-work, and was ultimately disrespectful to my staff, peers, and myself. My current place has an unwritten rule to not allow notice periods of longer than 2 weeks. When someone resigns, just cut it off and move on. We suffered in knowledge transfer in a few cases, but that's been rare. If it takes longer than that to transition, we probably have other problems.
  - hemloc_io 5y ago
    Yep I agree. For me I'm mid-level so it's not like I'm super specialized although my team is smaller than needed because labor market is hot. Maybeeee if you're like high up two weeks might be too quick and you need an actual transition plan of some kind. I'd rather take those extra weeks and put them into a real vacation to combat burnout.
  - david38 5y ago
    If someone is leaving on good terms, you can always have a contract where you can contact them later for some set contractor rate.
awb 5y ago
Where are you located? I don’t think giving notice is enforceable for FTEs in the US.
sp332 5y ago
That just sounds impractical. You interview somewhere and get hired, but you can't start for three months? And you just don't do any real work for your old employer either for an entire quarter?
- wombatpm 5y ago
  It is. I had one of those three month notice contracts. Negotiated my start, gave my notice, and the company chose to part ways immediately - but did not pay out the three months. If I am ever in that situation again, I'll give two weeks and they can sue me to make me stay.
  - david38 5y ago
    If your contract required three months notice, it also required the same notice on their part, no? Otherwise why would you sign it such a contract?
    - wombatpm 5y ago
      According to the company lawyer such an interpretation is incorrect. Live and learn.
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
> 3 months That's ridiculous. What if you gave 3 months, and then 1 month in said, "Nah, F this, I'm out" and just bailed?
- 314 5y ago
  Then you would be highly unprofessional. I'm on a three-month term where I am, it's fairly standard around here. I would expect to work as normal during those months, and other people that I have watched go through notice have done the same.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  That would be unprofessional. On the other hand you can often negotiate a shorter exit period; it will depend in some sectors _when_ you are leaving as much as how much notice. e.g. as I understand it, in government sectors in the UK, you might find your notice period runs out at the beginning of any new Budget regardless, or you might find yourself on gardening leave. And if you travel into London you might find your final date has as much if anything to do with your travel season ticket loan period! Cuts both ways, too: longer notice periods for employees resigning are matched by longer notice of redundancy (and statutory pay), as well as other redundancy protections, like they can't make you redundant just to hire someone else they prefer. It's a very different world to the "at will" states of the USA.
- onion2k 5y ago
  I'd be in breach of my contract, and (in theory) my employer could sue me. 3 month notice periods are very common for senior people in the UK so employers work with it. It also benefits the employer because it means they're less likely to have an unfilled role - if I resign they have 3 months to replace me. Less notice means they have a serious problem after I leave but before the next person starts. 3 months isn't even the longest I've known. I worked with some people a few years ago who were C-level execs in a manufacturing business who had to give 6 months notice.
  - Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
    I could understand 3 month notice periods for senior managers, but what about low-level grunts like the engineers?
fouc 5y ago
2 week notice is common in US & Canada. I usually give 1-2 month's notice but I've been told it's generally not necessary.
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simonblack 5y ago

When you're counting work days, 4 weeks is 20 days. 10 days is two weeks notice. Some countries/states have no notice period at all. (How could you work under conditions like that? How could you plan anything? That would include tasks at work, your mortgage, your holidays, etc, etc.)

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andrewmcwatters 5y ago

Standard US practice is 2 weeks, 10 business days notice.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_period#Notice_periods_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_period#Notice_periods_i...

hemloc_io 5y ago

Haha I'm in the USA. Labor protections don't really exist but neither do obligations, I couldn't imagine giving 4 weeks+ notice unless it's around the holidays or something.

ruh-roh 5y ago
Early in my career I just did the standard '2 weeks' thing, but as I progressed I extended to 4 (and in one case I gave 6). In my mind, I thought it was respectful to the company, helped soften the blow on finding a replacement, gave loads of time to recruit/promote and transfer knowledge, etc. But after reflection, that was a mistake. 4-6 weeks is an eternity in product & engineering time. Too much time to sit around and work-but-not-really-work, and was ultimately disrespectful to my staff, peers, and myself. My current place has an unwritten rule to not allow notice periods of longer than 2 weeks. When someone resigns, just cut it off and move on. We suffered in knowledge transfer in a few cases, but that's been rare. If it takes longer than that to transition, we probably have other problems.
- hemloc_io 5y ago
  Yep I agree. For me I'm mid-level so it's not like I'm super specialized although my team is smaller than needed because labor market is hot. Maybeeee if you're like high up two weeks might be too quick and you need an actual transition plan of some kind. I'd rather take those extra weeks and put them into a real vacation to combat burnout.
- david38 5y ago
  If someone is leaving on good terms, you can always have a contract where you can contact them later for some set contractor rate.

awb 5y ago

Where are you located? I don’t think giving notice is enforceable for FTEs in the US.

sp332 5y ago

That just sounds impractical. You interview somewhere and get hired, but you can't start for three months? And you just don't do any real work for your old employer either for an entire quarter?

wombatpm 5y ago
It is. I had one of those three month notice contracts. Negotiated my start, gave my notice, and the company chose to part ways immediately - but did not pay out the three months. If I am ever in that situation again, I'll give two weeks and they can sue me to make me stay.
- david38 5y ago
  If your contract required three months notice, it also required the same notice on their part, no? Otherwise why would you sign it such a contract?
  - wombatpm 5y ago
    According to the company lawyer such an interpretation is incorrect. Live and learn.

Sohcahtoa82 5y ago

> 3 months That's ridiculous. What if you gave 3 months, and then 1 month in said, "Nah, F this, I'm out" and just bailed?

314 5y ago
Then you would be highly unprofessional. I'm on a three-month term where I am, it's fairly standard around here. I would expect to work as normal during those months, and other people that I have watched go through notice have done the same.
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
That would be unprofessional. On the other hand you can often negotiate a shorter exit period; it will depend in some sectors _when_ you are leaving as much as how much notice. e.g. as I understand it, in government sectors in the UK, you might find your notice period runs out at the beginning of any new Budget regardless, or you might find yourself on gardening leave. And if you travel into London you might find your final date has as much if anything to do with your travel season ticket loan period! Cuts both ways, too: longer notice periods for employees resigning are matched by longer notice of redundancy (and statutory pay), as well as other redundancy protections, like they can't make you redundant just to hire someone else they prefer. It's a very different world to the "at will" states of the USA.
onion2k 5y ago
I'd be in breach of my contract, and (in theory) my employer could sue me. 3 month notice periods are very common for senior people in the UK so employers work with it. It also benefits the employer because it means they're less likely to have an unfilled role - if I resign they have 3 months to replace me. Less notice means they have a serious problem after I leave but before the next person starts. 3 months isn't even the longest I've known. I worked with some people a few years ago who were C-level execs in a manufacturing business who had to give 6 months notice.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
  I could understand 3 month notice periods for senior managers, but what about low-level grunts like the engineers?

fouc 5y ago

2 week notice is common in US & Canada. I usually give 1-2 month's notice but I've been told it's generally not necessary.

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