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First thing, I like the false comparisons. They really add to your point. It also goes to drive home that point you made in the second sentence, you know, a l
by jpetrosky 15y ago
First thing, I like the false comparisons. They really add to your point. It also goes to drive home that point you made in the second sentence, you know, a little research.
Now, hydraulic fracturing may be primitive sounding. But compared to what? Most modern oil and gas recovery is startlingly similar. Drilling muds frequently cause some hydraulic fracture because you cannot balance all borehole pressures along the entire length of a borehole simultaneously with a single drilling mud weight. Granted these muds contain a different set of chemicals than what is used for purposefully fracturing horizontal wells.
Which brings up another point which even a 'little' research should have lead you to realize. The depths where these wells are drilled are well below drinking water aquifers. In fact, all pore fluids at these depths are quite concentrated brines. You're looking at 1 km + below ground surface. There is a density barrier between these brines and the fresh, drinking water aquifers which we frequently use for tap water and farming. At the flow rates you are dealing with (cm/day to cm/year) no mixing can really take place due to the extremely low Reynold's numbers. I won't say that contamination cannot migrate, since I cannot know that, only that it is exceedingly unlikely.
Furthermore, if fluids could flow freely in these formations, would we need to fracture them at all? The answer is obviously no. That would be what is known as a conventional reservoir. Hydraulic fracturing generally takes place in gas shales. These have hydraulic conductivities on the order of 10^-12 cm/s. Unless the fracture reaches a more conductive body, that fluid isn't going anywhere.
Would the fluid reach a more conductive body? Its possible. It would be undesirable, since you would lose any production from that particular well. Chances are any loses would be trapped by a different aquitard (a layer with very low hydraulic conductivity). Hydraulic fractures tend to deflect when they reach such a phase interface, though. The stresses tend to not be the same on both sides of the interface. A useful analogy would be activation energy in chemistry.
The gas itself is methane. Methane is produced in the subsurface naturally (which is why its called natural gas). It is concievable that greater amounts might be present in the subsurface due to hydraulic fracturing of gas shales, but this would be undesirable for everyone involved since that gas would be lost from production. Which isn't to say that leaks cannot happen, but I am aware of no such cases (and yes, I looked, this is my area of study).
As for earthquakes, you have to first understand what causes earthquakes. Earthquakes are caused when the crust of the earth yields. This means that the stresses become greater than the rock's ability to withstand them. Hydraulic fracture also yields rock. There was research done in California to determine if such yielding could be used to control stresses on the San Andreas fault. It came to nothing because, presently, we are not able to drill deep enough and pump enough fluid to reduce effective stresses to sufficient levels to induce controlled yield. Furthermore, any deep mining city experiences rock bursts. These are also caused when stresses in the rock lead to yield. These feel like small earthquakes, and are picked up on seismographs just like earthquakes, but they cause no damage.
I do believe we need to better understand what goes on during hydraulic fracture. It is exceedingly complex. It is not, however, akin to fishing with dynamite. Open pit mining may be a fair comparison to that, although even there your analogy falls short. I am glad you have an interest in this field, however. It is an important one with a lot of potential. Further study on your part may not change your mind, but will help you make sounder arguments.
Good Luck
- trunnell 15y agojpetrosky, welcome to HN. If the wells in question are "well below drinking water aquifers," can you comment on the water contamination shown in the documentary, Gasland?
- anamax 15y agoNot so fast. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland "Laboratory tests concluded that Markham’s water well contained biogenic methane, a combustible gas that occurs naturally in underground coal beds.[10] Further investigation revealed that Markham’s water well had been drilled through four different coal beds containing naturally occurring biogenic methane gas. The 2008 investigation concluded that "there [were] no indications of oil & gas related impacts to [Markham's] water well." It was also concluded that the water well of Weld County landowner Renee McClure, also featured in the film, contained naturally occurring biogenic methane not related to oil and gas activity in the area.[11] On the other hand, Dr. Anthony Ingraffea, the D. C. Baum Professor of Engineering at Cornell University, whose research has involved fracture mechanics for more than 30 years, has said that drilling and hydraulic fracturing can liberate biogenic natural gas into a fresh water aquifer. Thus, just because gas is biogenic does not necessarily indicate that it reached a well by natural means. [12] "The COGCC concluded that a well belonging to Weld County landowner Aimee Ellsworth, also featured in the film, contained thermogenic methane that was attributable to oil and gas activity in the area. The report states that Mrs. Ellsworth and an operator in the area had reached a settlement in that case.[9] Note that "oil and gas activity" doesn't imply fracking wells.
- droithomme 15y agoHere is a point by point rebuttal to the false claims made by agents of the gas industry in an attempt to discredit this film. http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_Sept_2010.pdf http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_Sep...
- stinkytaco 15y agoI think the issue is that fracking is far from a solved problem, environmentally or scientifically. The scientific community is divided on the issue and, as a result, we're letting that unsolved problem get drilled into the ground permanently. It would be one thing if this were a relatively small scale issue and a few wells were around to let us analyze the long term effects, but we seem to be drilling up a quarter of the state in North Dakota. I no longer trust industry to protect me after such major failures and Bhopal or Deep Horizon. Even if those were isolated accidents, the repercussions are so large that we need to know without question that what we are doing is safe. We don't. Furthermore, companies constantly try to get less regulation. That's part of what they do. They want lax regulation on living conditions, safety and wastewater. Not to mention that they recently hired a former governor to lobby for lower taxes on oil companies. I don't trust these guys to keep us safe. Those issues aside, the destructiveness goes beyond the environmental issues immediate to that area. Fracking simply gives us more greenhouse gases to burn and they do not force us to reanalyze our lifestyles and public policy as it relates to the environment or our communities.