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>>(his approval numbers are up 10% since this has started) Is there any way to believe such a number? Isn't all independent media in Russia now banned or in hi

>>(his approval numbers are up 10% since this has started) Is there any way to believe such a number? Isn't all independent media in Russia now banned or in hiding? Like, I just don't see any way this could be reliably measured. If I lived in Russia and someone asked me, of course I'd say that I support the guy, I don't want to go to prison.

zdragnar 5y ago
The numbers I saw went from 61% to 71%. I'm not sure if there is any way to get accurate, honest polls out of Russia, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that people support him now more than before, between the propaganda in the news and the impact the sanctions are having on them.
rectang 5y ago
I buy that Putin has a good deal of support, even if I don't buy zdragnar's "all is lost" fatalist analysis.
qqtt 5y ago
George W Bush's approval ratings also spiked after the Iraq war, when our country was also flooded with propaganda and lies about the justification for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html You can't trust polling numbers out of Russia but there is historical context for these types of full scale invasions to bring up approval ratings.
- throw10920 5y ago
  > propaganda and lies about the justification for that I keep hearing this, and yet, the NYT and the international Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons both confirmed that there were chemical weapons in Iraq: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/world/middleeast/questions-answers-abandoned-chemical-weapons-in-iraq.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/world/middleeast/question... https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/middleeast/thousands-of-iraq-chemical-weapons-destroyed-in-open-air-watchdog-says-.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/middleeast/thousand... https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/03/world/middleeast/chemical-weapons-iraq-pentagon-secrets.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/03/world/middlee... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middlee... Did the NYT issue a retraction when I wasn't looking?

zdragnar 5y ago

The numbers I saw went from 61% to 71%. I'm not sure if there is any way to get accurate, honest polls out of Russia, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that people support him now more than before, between the propaganda in the news and the impact the sanctions are having on them.

rectang 5y ago

I buy that Putin has a good deal of support, even if I don't buy zdragnar's "all is lost" fatalist analysis.

qqtt 5y ago

George W Bush's approval ratings also spiked after the Iraq war, when our country was also flooded with propaganda and lies about the justification for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html You can't trust polling numbers out of Russia but there is historical context for these types of full scale invasions to bring up approval ratings.

throw10920 5y ago
> propaganda and lies about the justification for that I keep hearing this, and yet, the NYT and the international Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons both confirmed that there were chemical weapons in Iraq: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/world/middleeast/questions-answers-abandoned-chemical-weapons-in-iraq.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/world/middleeast/question... https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/middleeast/thousands-of-iraq-chemical-weapons-destroyed-in-open-air-watchdog-says-.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/middleeast/thousand... https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/03/world/middleeast/chemical-weapons-iraq-pentagon-secrets.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/03/world/middlee... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middlee... Did the NYT issue a retraction when I wasn't looking?