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Please explain how Germany should heat most of their households with nuclear power? This nuclear Astro-Turf is really jumping the shark these days...

gizmo686 5y ago
What do you need an explanation about? Electrical heating is a solved problem at this point.
- RNAlfons 5y ago
  So what do you propose? To roll out electrical heating for 75% [1] of the German population? You think this is in any realistic way affordable or even doable in a significant time? Seriously? [1]https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und-zum-heizen-genutzte-energietraeger/ https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und...
teaearlgraycold 5y ago
Heat pumps?
- RNAlfons 5y ago
  75% of the German population uses oil or gas for heating[1]. Most of them rent a flat[2] in a city [3]. So heat pumps are nice and you even get money from the state to install them but they're not doable by most of the people. [1] https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und-zum-heizen-genutzte-energietraeger/ https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und... [2] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/171237/umfrage/wohnsituation-der-bevoelkerung/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/171237/umfrag... [3] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152879/umfrage/in-staedten-lebende-bevoelkerung-in-deutschland-und-weltweit/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152879/umfrag...
yodelshady 5y ago
There are at least three different actually deployed methods for doing so, all with working principles older than nuclear. If you want to be in an energy debate knowing them is not hard. I have to downvote you, because requiring others to spend their time explaining basic technologies as a rhetorical tactic is *rude*.
- RNAlfons 5y ago
  I like how you didn't provide even a single one but instead left some useless ad hominem and downvote. Sounds pretty rude to me.
thehappypm 5y ago
Electric heat is great, actually. My house has a heat pump and it’s terrific. It’s a mini split system so each room has a wall-mounted head that circulates hot or cold air, with a large compressor outside. The system is quiet, efficient, and clean, in fact, it’s much cleaner than ducted systems because there are no ducts to bring dirty particles in. It can be expensive when it’s cold out, but total cost of keeping the house cool and warm averages out to be a pretty good deal.
- RNAlfons 5y ago
  Houses here actually get support from the state for such heat pumps. Unfortunately it doesn't help most of the citizens of Germany since most of them rent in cities and don't live in houses where they can decide and install easily.
  - acdha 5y ago
    Sounds like that's a better spot to be in for a big push to deploy heat pumps since the property owners have greater assets & financial acumen than the average homeowner in many places so you can work with one entity on upgrades to a number of households at a time. The government could announce a big program to fund upgrades, make massive order commitments with the major manufacturers so they scale up production immediately, and negotiate with installers to hire & train more staff.
    - RNAlfons 5y ago
      The government already does that and the market for those is huge, people who can install them are in high demand. It's happening and has been for years now but this is not Luxemburg. It takes a lot of time to switch 75% of the whole population over to new heating even if everybody would do it and if it would be possible everywhere. Which it isn't. This just not a relevant time frame or topic for the conspiracy OP wanted to push here.

gizmo686 5y ago

What do you need an explanation about? Electrical heating is a solved problem at this point.

RNAlfons 5y ago
So what do you propose? To roll out electrical heating for 75% [1] of the German population? You think this is in any realistic way affordable or even doable in a significant time? Seriously? [1]https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und-zum-heizen-genutzte-energietraeger/ https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und...

teaearlgraycold 5y ago

Heat pumps?

RNAlfons 5y ago
75% of the German population uses oil or gas for heating[1]. Most of them rent a flat[2] in a city [3]. So heat pumps are nice and you even get money from the state to install them but they're not doable by most of the people. [1] https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und-zum-heizen-genutzte-energietraeger/ https://de.statista.com/infografik/11385/art-der-heizung-und... [2] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/171237/umfrage/wohnsituation-der-bevoelkerung/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/171237/umfrag... [3] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152879/umfrage/in-staedten-lebende-bevoelkerung-in-deutschland-und-weltweit/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152879/umfrag...

yodelshady 5y ago

There are at least three different actually deployed methods for doing so, all with working principles older than nuclear. If you want to be in an energy debate knowing them is not hard. I have to downvote you, because requiring others to spend their time explaining basic technologies as a rhetorical tactic is *rude*.

RNAlfons 5y ago
I like how you didn't provide even a single one but instead left some useless ad hominem and downvote. Sounds pretty rude to me.

thehappypm 5y ago

Electric heat is great, actually. My house has a heat pump and it’s terrific. It’s a mini split system so each room has a wall-mounted head that circulates hot or cold air, with a large compressor outside. The system is quiet, efficient, and clean, in fact, it’s much cleaner than ducted systems because there are no ducts to bring dirty particles in. It can be expensive when it’s cold out, but total cost of keeping the house cool and warm averages out to be a pretty good deal.

RNAlfons 5y ago
Houses here actually get support from the state for such heat pumps. Unfortunately it doesn't help most of the citizens of Germany since most of them rent in cities and don't live in houses where they can decide and install easily.
- acdha 5y ago
  Sounds like that's a better spot to be in for a big push to deploy heat pumps since the property owners have greater assets & financial acumen than the average homeowner in many places so you can work with one entity on upgrades to a number of households at a time. The government could announce a big program to fund upgrades, make massive order commitments with the major manufacturers so they scale up production immediately, and negotiate with installers to hire & train more staff.
  - RNAlfons 5y ago
    The government already does that and the market for those is huge, people who can install them are in high demand. It's happening and has been for years now but this is not Luxemburg. It takes a lot of time to switch 75% of the whole population over to new heating even if everybody would do it and if it would be possible everywhere. Which it isn't. This just not a relevant time frame or topic for the conspiracy OP wanted to push here.