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Jack removal makes sense, if going for a dust and waterproof soap bar. My Samsung is supposedly waterproof, but moans if I do much as breathe in the charge hol

Jack removal makes sense, if going for a dust and waterproof soap bar. My Samsung is supposedly waterproof, but moans if I do much as breathe in the charge hole.

oblio 5y ago
No, it doesn't. It's bullshit. There's stuff like the Ulefone Armor 9 FLIP rugged smartphone which has the headphone jack and has even better ingress protection than the iPhone: > the extra padding and protection that comes with an IP68/IP69K-rated, MIL-STD-810G certified outdoor smartphone https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ulefone-armor-9-flir-rugged-smartphone https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ulefone-armor-9-flir-rugge... Apple removed the headphone jack for Airbuds and to get extra money. Their accessory division would be a Fortune 500 company, on its own. You don't get to be a billionaire by giving money away (or not picking it up when users throw it at you).
- stevewodil 5y ago
  > A 3.5mm audio connector hidden behind a flap I’m not saying your argument is invalid but…sure the iPhone could also have a waterproof headphone jack if we wanted port covers on it too. The phone you linked looks nothing like something I want in my pocket all day
  - lliamander 5y ago
    > The phone you linked looks nothing like something I want in my pocket all day I rather doubt most people would really be able to tell the difference.
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  - Godel_unicode 5y ago
    The Pixel 5a has a headphone jack, is waterproof, and has no port covers. It has an actual IP rating, with all the added expense that comes with, and still is shockingly cheap. It has a great looking design and is very close in size to a contemporary iphone. It can be done, Apple didn't do it because they didn't want to.
  - goosedragons 5y ago
    Many many phones had waterproof headphone jacks without flaps before the iPhone 7 added waterproofing like the Galaxy S5. Many still do, e.g Samsung A52.
- scarface74 5y ago
  You realize that no one has to buy Bluetooth headphones from Apple right?
  - oblio 5y ago
    You realize that Apple offers Apple only features for all its stuff, therefore pushing its own products very hard? :-)
    - scarface74 5y ago
      You’re free to choose not to have Apple features and get regular old headphones.
      - oblio 5y ago
        Individual responsibility does not work against $3tn corporations. I personally choose to not buy any Apple product, but that's not going to bring the demise of Apple.
        scarface74 5y ago
        So why does your personal choice have to bring the end of Apple? Did Apple get to be 3 trillion by forcing people to buy stuff or buying selling things that people were willing to give it money for? But by you choosing to not buy Apple Bluetooth headphones you have a worse experience.
        lmm 5y ago
        > Did Apple get to be 3 trillion by forcing people to buy stuff or buying selling things that people were willing to give it money for? A combination of the two. Sure, they had some legitimately good products to start with. So did Standard Oil.
        scarface74 5y ago
- vinceguidry 5y ago
  > Apple removed the headphone jack for Airbuds and to get extra money. Their accessory division would be a Fortune 500 company, on its own. Nothing makes this read stronger than the fact that Apple still does, in fact, offer a portable device with a headphone jack, the iPod Touch. You can buy an iDevice that makes calls and texts, or one with a headphone jack. You can not have both in the same machine.
- 8note 5y ago
  I've noticed that headphone cords are the main reason that I break my phone. I'm debating switching to non-cabled headphones to fix that and save money on replacement screens
  - bartread 5y ago
    > the main reason that I break my phone. I'm not sure whether I'm more shocked you have multiple reasons/causes for breaking your phone or that you have enough data points available that you can reliably identify a "main reason" amongst those multiple reasons. Seriously, have you considered taking better care of your possessions? How the hell do cabled headphones lead to a broken screen? I've owned quite a variety of mobile phones over the last 23 years, have never used a case to protect any of them, have used cabled headphones with a bunch of them, and the only one I've broken is one that I deliberately dropped into a glass of vodka and coke back in the year 2000 because I was smashed off my tits and it seemed like a good idea at the time (it wasn't, even though I'd been planning to replace it anyway - in the interim the lack of a phone was a major PITA for several days).
mattnewton 5y ago
The Samsung phones are waterproof, I have seen it accidentally tested. I love my iPhone but, I really think it's no coincidence the headphone jack removal coincided with the release of airpods, just over a year and a half after the purchase of beats by Dre.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  >Samsung phones Yep, an S7 went swimming with me for about half on hour one day and after a quick pat down it worked just fine. I wouldn't mind the switch away from jacks so much if most phones & bluetooth earbuds supported higher quality codecs, but it seems relatively rare.
  - raytube 5y ago
    I put my s7 face down in snow and it took 24hrs or so to accept a charger. Thought the port was dead. Wireless charging could be good in that regard.
bmitc 5y ago
No it doesn't. The LG V35 was faster, thinner, lighter, had a headphone jack, and had the exact same IP rating as the equivalent iPhone of the time.

Jack removal makes sense, if going for a dust and waterproof soap bar. My Samsung is supposedly waterproof, but moans if I do much as breathe in the charge hole.

oblio 5y ago

No, it doesn't. It's bullshit. There's stuff like the Ulefone Armor 9 FLIP rugged smartphone which has the headphone jack and has even better ingress protection than the iPhone: > the extra padding and protection that comes with an IP68/IP69K-rated, MIL-STD-810G certified outdoor smartphone https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ulefone-armor-9-flir-rugged-smartphone https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ulefone-armor-9-flir-rugge... Apple removed the headphone jack for Airbuds and to get extra money. Their accessory division would be a Fortune 500 company, on its own. You don't get to be a billionaire by giving money away (or not picking it up when users throw it at you).

stevewodil 5y ago
> A 3.5mm audio connector hidden behind a flap I’m not saying your argument is invalid but…sure the iPhone could also have a waterproof headphone jack if we wanted port covers on it too. The phone you linked looks nothing like something I want in my pocket all day
- lliamander 5y ago
  > The phone you linked looks nothing like something I want in my pocket all day I rather doubt most people would really be able to tell the difference.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- Godel_unicode 5y ago
  The Pixel 5a has a headphone jack, is waterproof, and has no port covers. It has an actual IP rating, with all the added expense that comes with, and still is shockingly cheap. It has a great looking design and is very close in size to a contemporary iphone. It can be done, Apple didn't do it because they didn't want to.
- goosedragons 5y ago
  Many many phones had waterproof headphone jacks without flaps before the iPhone 7 added waterproofing like the Galaxy S5. Many still do, e.g Samsung A52.
scarface74 5y ago
You realize that no one has to buy Bluetooth headphones from Apple right?
- oblio 5y ago
  You realize that Apple offers Apple only features for all its stuff, therefore pushing its own products very hard? :-)
  - scarface74 5y ago
    You’re free to choose not to have Apple features and get regular old headphones.
    - oblio 5y ago
      Individual responsibility does not work against $3tn corporations. I personally choose to not buy any Apple product, but that's not going to bring the demise of Apple.
      - scarface74 5y ago
        So why does your personal choice have to bring the end of Apple? Did Apple get to be 3 trillion by forcing people to buy stuff or buying selling things that people were willing to give it money for? But by you choosing to not buy Apple Bluetooth headphones you have a worse experience.
        lmm 5y ago
        > Did Apple get to be 3 trillion by forcing people to buy stuff or buying selling things that people were willing to give it money for? A combination of the two. Sure, they had some legitimately good products to start with. So did Standard Oil.
        scarface74 5y ago
vinceguidry 5y ago
> Apple removed the headphone jack for Airbuds and to get extra money. Their accessory division would be a Fortune 500 company, on its own. Nothing makes this read stronger than the fact that Apple still does, in fact, offer a portable device with a headphone jack, the iPod Touch. You can buy an iDevice that makes calls and texts, or one with a headphone jack. You can not have both in the same machine.
8note 5y ago
I've noticed that headphone cords are the main reason that I break my phone. I'm debating switching to non-cabled headphones to fix that and save money on replacement screens
- bartread 5y ago
  > the main reason that I break my phone. I'm not sure whether I'm more shocked you have multiple reasons/causes for breaking your phone or that you have enough data points available that you can reliably identify a "main reason" amongst those multiple reasons. Seriously, have you considered taking better care of your possessions? How the hell do cabled headphones lead to a broken screen? I've owned quite a variety of mobile phones over the last 23 years, have never used a case to protect any of them, have used cabled headphones with a bunch of them, and the only one I've broken is one that I deliberately dropped into a glass of vodka and coke back in the year 2000 because I was smashed off my tits and it seemed like a good idea at the time (it wasn't, even though I'd been planning to replace it anyway - in the interim the lack of a phone was a major PITA for several days).

mattnewton 5y ago

The Samsung phones are waterproof, I have seen it accidentally tested. I love my iPhone but, I really think it's no coincidence the headphone jack removal coincided with the release of airpods, just over a year and a half after the purchase of beats by Dre.

ineedasername 5y ago
>Samsung phones Yep, an S7 went swimming with me for about half on hour one day and after a quick pat down it worked just fine. I wouldn't mind the switch away from jacks so much if most phones & bluetooth earbuds supported higher quality codecs, but it seems relatively rare.
- raytube 5y ago
  I put my s7 face down in snow and it took 24hrs or so to accept a charger. Thought the port was dead. Wireless charging could be good in that regard.

bmitc 5y ago

No it doesn't. The LG V35 was faster, thinner, lighter, had a headphone jack, and had the exact same IP rating as the equivalent iPhone of the time.