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There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "

by yks 5y ago

There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

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bananabiscuit 5y ago
Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.
- NationalPark 5y ago
  That post you linked is itself spreading misinformation. Notice how it retreats to the argumentative "motte" of bio labs - which are not a secret - while contextually purporting to support the claim that the US is developing bio weapons in Ukraine, which itself is misinformational support for the propaganda line used domestically in Russia, that the bioweapons the US is allegedly developing in Ukraine will be used to attack Russia. I understand the urge to apply neutrality here but the fact is that the priors simply do not support a good faith interpretation of what we know is coming from the Russian state propaganda apparatus.
  - mardifoufs 5y ago
    The Chinese ad didn't mention bioweapons, Newsweek did. Trying to discredit a real fact (the US has biolabs in ukraine) by attacking a strawman (they didn't have bioweapons there! It'sall fake news!) is what's Newsweek is trying to do. There is a motte and Bailey here but it's not coming from the russians in this case, as opposed to what you are saying.
- yks 5y ago
  You are linking some links that don't imply what you imply. Yes, there are biolabs, and yes, some of them are Army-affiliated because COVID happened in the army, and yes, UA Army works with DoD. But there is no connection whatsoever there with the "US-made bioweapons" or even "bioweapons" in general so basically you are just promoting conspiracy.
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  - bananabiscuit 5y ago
    I did not make any statements about existence of bioweapons. You said “There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.” I pointed out that there is in fact US DoD funded research in Ukrainian bio labs. I have no idea if they are making bioweapons. I can’t prove that they are, you can’t prove that they aren’t. But I do know that Victoria Nuland stated in that twitter video that whatever they got in those labs can be used as bioweapons, so on that point I think it’s an argument of semantics.
    - desmosxxx 5y ago
      Funded by the DoD under antiproliferation because these were former soviet bioweapons labs. Why do people keep leaving this out? Seems pretty important to me https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukraine-Weapons.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...
      - bananabiscuit 5y ago
        Simply because I did not know why the DoD was funding them. So thank you for that. Also any time the DoD (or any gov entity anywhere in the world) claims “we are doing this only for the seemingly good purpose A” there is generally a much bigger purpose B, C, and D that they don’t mention.

by yks 5y ago

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bananabiscuit 5y ago

Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.

NationalPark 5y ago
That post you linked is itself spreading misinformation. Notice how it retreats to the argumentative "motte" of bio labs - which are not a secret - while contextually purporting to support the claim that the US is developing bio weapons in Ukraine, which itself is misinformational support for the propaganda line used domestically in Russia, that the bioweapons the US is allegedly developing in Ukraine will be used to attack Russia. I understand the urge to apply neutrality here but the fact is that the priors simply do not support a good faith interpretation of what we know is coming from the Russian state propaganda apparatus.
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  The Chinese ad didn't mention bioweapons, Newsweek did. Trying to discredit a real fact (the US has biolabs in ukraine) by attacking a strawman (they didn't have bioweapons there! It'sall fake news!) is what's Newsweek is trying to do. There is a motte and Bailey here but it's not coming from the russians in this case, as opposed to what you are saying.
yks 5y ago
You are linking some links that don't imply what you imply. Yes, there are biolabs, and yes, some of them are Army-affiliated because COVID happened in the army, and yes, UA Army works with DoD. But there is no connection whatsoever there with the "US-made bioweapons" or even "bioweapons" in general so basically you are just promoting conspiracy.
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- bananabiscuit 5y ago
  I did not make any statements about existence of bioweapons. You said “There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.” I pointed out that there is in fact US DoD funded research in Ukrainian bio labs. I have no idea if they are making bioweapons. I can’t prove that they are, you can’t prove that they aren’t. But I do know that Victoria Nuland stated in that twitter video that whatever they got in those labs can be used as bioweapons, so on that point I think it’s an argument of semantics.
  - desmosxxx 5y ago
    Funded by the DoD under antiproliferation because these were former soviet bioweapons labs. Why do people keep leaving this out? Seems pretty important to me https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukraine-Weapons.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...
    - bananabiscuit 5y ago
      Simply because I did not know why the DoD was funding them. So thank you for that. Also any time the DoD (or any gov entity anywhere in the world) claims “we are doing this only for the seemingly good purpose A” there is generally a much bigger purpose B, C, and D that they don’t mention.