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China has never recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Russia and China are among the parties to the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 treaty recognizing Ukraine as

by cmurf 5y ago

China has never recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Russia and China are among the parties to the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 treaty recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

adolph 5y ago
Not as a whatabout but a question: Has Taiwan recognized China as a sovereign nation? Or is do they consider it Occupied Western Republic of China?
- bena 5y ago
  Taiwan is complicated. Taiwan, the island, was once a part of territory claimed by Imperial China. Eventually, Taiwan was given to Japan in some war back in the day. Right before WWII, civil war broke out. The Chinese Communist party wanted to overthrow the ROC and reform the government in their image. Then WWII happened and they agreed to pause the civil war to deal with the Japanese coming in from East. WWII ended with the defeat of Japan and as part of the terms of surrender, Taiwan was given back to the ROC. After WWII, the civil war was back on, but with the ROC having been significantly weakened by WWII. Eventually, the CCP overthrew the ROC on the mainland and formed the People's Republic of China (PRC), while the ROC fled to the island of Taiwan. The PRC sees Taiwan as part of China thanks to the Japanese terms of surrender. Taiwan was ceded to the government of China, they are the government of China. QED, Taiwan is theirs. The ROC sees themselves as the rightful government of China in exile. Yes, Taiwan belongs to China, but they are China. The PRC needs to give the mainland back to them. Things have progressed since then. There are some on the island with different opinions these days. The policy of the PRC and some factions in the ROC is the One-China policy. There is only one China, it includes the mainland and Taiwan. The only disagreement is about which government is legitimate. Some in the ROC advocate a two-state solution, in which you'd have the PRC and ROC, each with their territories and that's that. Then there are people in Taiwan who feel that they should be their own independent nation and not "Chinese" at all. So basically, with regards to your question, the answer is every answer possible. I think the official position is One-China though. I think there's enough of that faction to make winning elections impossible if you explicitly reject it.
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    Thank you for writing such a thorough comment. So often people comment on HN without a basis in any of these facts. I think it’s important to add that Taiwan, like China, was an authoritarian state up until the 90s. The shift to democracy since then has given room for a lot of these different factions to take hold and develop on the island.
  - thereddaikon 5y ago
    One thing to add, Taiwan formally gave up its claims to the mainland some time ago. While the One China policy still has some popularity there, it seems that the idea of Taiwan as a separate nation and people is growing day by day.
    - bena 5y ago
      There's the ROC-in-exile people and then there are people who have lived on the island for generations. Like, I said, things have progressed. There's "One China", "Two Chinas", and "China and Taiwan". I think the longer things remain as they are, the more likely it'll settle into a "China and Taiwan" situation as both sides just kind of tire of fighting an issue their great grandparents started.
thereddaikon 5y ago
1: The international community probably doesn't care if they don't. It will still be seen as an invasion. 2: While Russia formally recognizes Ukraine as a country I don't believe they currently recognize its democratically elected government as legitimate which is the basis for their bogus Casus Belli.
- cmurf 5y ago
  Putin is doing this for popularity boost, as he has successfully employed several times before. The reasons he gives publicly are contradictory. And in any case the treaty doesn't allow for invasion upon the government being perceived as illegitimate. This is an aggressive war, considered since the end of WW2 to be the supreme international crime. The problem still so far is everything done to hold Putin accountable is viewed by Russians as the West vs Russia. This invasion is viewed not as aggressive war, but liberating Ukraine from Nazis. Exactly what Putin says domestically. And yes, most of the rest of the world recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, except formally they use language consistent with One China to avoid a row with China

by cmurf 5y ago

China has never recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Russia and China are among the parties to the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 treaty recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

adolph 5y ago

Not as a whatabout but a question: Has Taiwan recognized China as a sovereign nation? Or is do they consider it Occupied Western Republic of China?

bena 5y ago
Taiwan is complicated. Taiwan, the island, was once a part of territory claimed by Imperial China. Eventually, Taiwan was given to Japan in some war back in the day. Right before WWII, civil war broke out. The Chinese Communist party wanted to overthrow the ROC and reform the government in their image. Then WWII happened and they agreed to pause the civil war to deal with the Japanese coming in from East. WWII ended with the defeat of Japan and as part of the terms of surrender, Taiwan was given back to the ROC. After WWII, the civil war was back on, but with the ROC having been significantly weakened by WWII. Eventually, the CCP overthrew the ROC on the mainland and formed the People's Republic of China (PRC), while the ROC fled to the island of Taiwan. The PRC sees Taiwan as part of China thanks to the Japanese terms of surrender. Taiwan was ceded to the government of China, they are the government of China. QED, Taiwan is theirs. The ROC sees themselves as the rightful government of China in exile. Yes, Taiwan belongs to China, but they are China. The PRC needs to give the mainland back to them. Things have progressed since then. There are some on the island with different opinions these days. The policy of the PRC and some factions in the ROC is the One-China policy. There is only one China, it includes the mainland and Taiwan. The only disagreement is about which government is legitimate. Some in the ROC advocate a two-state solution, in which you'd have the PRC and ROC, each with their territories and that's that. Then there are people in Taiwan who feel that they should be their own independent nation and not "Chinese" at all. So basically, with regards to your question, the answer is every answer possible. I think the official position is One-China though. I think there's enough of that faction to make winning elections impossible if you explicitly reject it.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  Thank you for writing such a thorough comment. So often people comment on HN without a basis in any of these facts. I think it’s important to add that Taiwan, like China, was an authoritarian state up until the 90s. The shift to democracy since then has given room for a lot of these different factions to take hold and develop on the island.
- thereddaikon 5y ago
  One thing to add, Taiwan formally gave up its claims to the mainland some time ago. While the One China policy still has some popularity there, it seems that the idea of Taiwan as a separate nation and people is growing day by day.
  - bena 5y ago
    There's the ROC-in-exile people and then there are people who have lived on the island for generations. Like, I said, things have progressed. There's "One China", "Two Chinas", and "China and Taiwan". I think the longer things remain as they are, the more likely it'll settle into a "China and Taiwan" situation as both sides just kind of tire of fighting an issue their great grandparents started.

thereddaikon 5y ago

1: The international community probably doesn't care if they don't. It will still be seen as an invasion. 2: While Russia formally recognizes Ukraine as a country I don't believe they currently recognize its democratically elected government as legitimate which is the basis for their bogus Casus Belli.

cmurf 5y ago
Putin is doing this for popularity boost, as he has successfully employed several times before. The reasons he gives publicly are contradictory. And in any case the treaty doesn't allow for invasion upon the government being perceived as illegitimate. This is an aggressive war, considered since the end of WW2 to be the supreme international crime. The problem still so far is everything done to hold Putin accountable is viewed by Russians as the West vs Russia. This invasion is viewed not as aggressive war, but liberating Ukraine from Nazis. Exactly what Putin says domestically. And yes, most of the rest of the world recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, except formally they use language consistent with One China to avoid a row with China