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Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers. Vehicles are coming in and out of the exclusion zone, tracking radioactiv

Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers. Vehicles are coming in and out of the exclusion zone, tracking radioactive materials all over Ukraine. The spent fuel is not be an issue (yet), as long as Russians hold their fire. This is all getting extremely serious - and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. Source: me (and others of course) (I'm sure deep in my comment history here there will be something about me formerly running tours at Chernobyl, I have a lot of contacts, I have met in person with two Chernobyl workers here in Kyiv just today - and I only post information I know to be 100% accurate) Hello from Kyiv.

4ggr0 5y ago
> Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers I would really like to see proof for that. Not necessarily because I don't believe it, but because anecdotes backed by facts or sources are way more powerful than a random comment on HN.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers > I would really like to see proof for that. Not necessarily because I don't believe it, but because anecdotes backed by facts or sources are way more powerful than a random comment on HN. If there's proof, you probably won't see it for months or years, at least. It's not like the Russians are going to let BBC reporters embed with their interrogation units.
  - 4ggr0 5y ago
    Well maybe someone recorded it. Is there not at least a single other person talking about this?
- justin66 5y ago
  The kind of military units that hold people prisoner and compel their labor are notorious for letting international reporters in to observe conditions. I'm sure you'll get your news report shortly!
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
> and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. I've been getting some vibes from Ukraine today and yesterday - also from the president himself - that are leaning towards anti-NATO or anti-EU, because besides (some) military aid, supplies, refugees and heavy sanctions that barrel Russia into an economic crisis, they haven't interfered in the actual conflict yet. I get that this is upsetting. But I also understand that if NATO involves themselves more directly, the conflict will escalate - and given the apparent state and losses of Russia facing the Ukranian defenses, the escalation will involve nukes. Nobody wins then. Kyiv will be one of the first cities to be targeted, out of spite. I much prefer Russia to be humiliated and go bankrupt and hopefully end up with political reforms and the deposing of their leader than an escalation.
- avgcorrection 5y ago
  Nuke-equipped Nato can’t help non-member state Ukraine fight another military which also has nukes. There is nothing to be upset about.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  If the EU contributed conventional only weapons and personnel to be used only as territorial defense in Ukraine, that is, never shooting a single shell outside of Ukraine, Russians would still have a hard time justifying going at war with the EU, NATO, let alone using nukes. My point is that there's still some room left to help Ukraine militarily without serving Putin the pretext to declare war around the world. Sanctions need a lot of time to become really effective and something must be done to buy Ukrainians more time. I don't see what could be more effective than military help.
- EB-Barrington 5y ago
  Perhaps the "anti" vibes are being mis-interpreted as "you're not doing enough" vibes. It's clear to me that Russia needs to be stopped sooner rather than later (this has been clear since the first days of this war - when civilians were being specifically targeted). Putin only becomes more and more emboldened as time marches on. It just keeps getting worse. We don't necessarily get to choose how war will/won't escalate - however IMHO, bombing (for example) a maternity hospital in Europe should be enough reason to unconditionally help. BTW, the Russian people, by any measure, are majority behind the actions in Ukraine. Hello from Kyiv (my home, but I am not Ukrainian)
severino 5y ago
> and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. And what about you? Can you say your country, or your world, did everything it could to help the victims from other wars, some of which are ongoing too?
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ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. I get you're not happy, and I'm also unhappy at our shitty European leaders who got cozy with Putin and got us dependent on their gas imports instead of going for energy self sufficiency like the US, so our heating bills were basically funding his war machine which is now being used against you, but claiming we're not doing everything we could is a bit exaggerated, no offence. We obviously can't mobilize NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine, but in Romania, Moldova and other not so wealthy neighboring countries, people are offering their cars and homes for the Ukrainian refugees for free, and the entire West public and private sector, has been helping Ukraine fend off Russia's cyber attacks on your country since the war started, with the US and Microsoft leading the charge and even Romania joining in[1]. I honestly hope the sanctions are hurting Russia enough to back off soon because I don't know what more we can do to help you without straight up going to war. [1] https://www.bitdefender.com/ukraine/ https://www.bitdefender.com/ukraine/
- EB-Barrington 5y ago
  "but claiming we're not doing everything we could is a bit exaggerated, no offence" You said it yourself - you are FUNDING this war. Honestly, no offense taken.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    >you are FUNDING this war. I know, but it's not like we (the average people) have much choice in the matter. Our stupid politicians screwed us over (and you too) and got us addicted to Russian gas over the course of decades, instead of pursuing nuclear energy double time. Now, we can't just flip the gas switch off without society collapsing from massiv energy shortages. It will take many years until the dependency to Russian gas is reduced and by that time Ukraine might not be in one piece.

4ggr0 5y ago

> Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers I would really like to see proof for that. Not necessarily because I don't believe it, but because anecdotes backed by facts or sources are way more powerful than a random comment on HN.

tablespoon 5y ago
>> Over the last week, workers have been tortured at this plant by the Russian occupiers > I would really like to see proof for that. Not necessarily because I don't believe it, but because anecdotes backed by facts or sources are way more powerful than a random comment on HN. If there's proof, you probably won't see it for months or years, at least. It's not like the Russians are going to let BBC reporters embed with their interrogation units.
- 4ggr0 5y ago
  Well maybe someone recorded it. Is there not at least a single other person talking about this?
justin66 5y ago
The kind of military units that hold people prisoner and compel their labor are notorious for letting international reporters in to observe conditions. I'm sure you'll get your news report shortly!

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

> and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. I've been getting some vibes from Ukraine today and yesterday - also from the president himself - that are leaning towards anti-NATO or anti-EU, because besides (some) military aid, supplies, refugees and heavy sanctions that barrel Russia into an economic crisis, they haven't interfered in the actual conflict yet. I get that this is upsetting. But I also understand that if NATO involves themselves more directly, the conflict will escalate - and given the apparent state and losses of Russia facing the Ukranian defenses, the escalation will involve nukes. Nobody wins then. Kyiv will be one of the first cities to be targeted, out of spite. I much prefer Russia to be humiliated and go bankrupt and hopefully end up with political reforms and the deposing of their leader than an escalation.

avgcorrection 5y ago
Nuke-equipped Nato can’t help non-member state Ukraine fight another military which also has nukes. There is nothing to be upset about.
squarefoot 5y ago
If the EU contributed conventional only weapons and personnel to be used only as territorial defense in Ukraine, that is, never shooting a single shell outside of Ukraine, Russians would still have a hard time justifying going at war with the EU, NATO, let alone using nukes. My point is that there's still some room left to help Ukraine militarily without serving Putin the pretext to declare war around the world. Sanctions need a lot of time to become really effective and something must be done to buy Ukrainians more time. I don't see what could be more effective than military help.
EB-Barrington 5y ago
Perhaps the "anti" vibes are being mis-interpreted as "you're not doing enough" vibes. It's clear to me that Russia needs to be stopped sooner rather than later (this has been clear since the first days of this war - when civilians were being specifically targeted). Putin only becomes more and more emboldened as time marches on. It just keeps getting worse. We don't necessarily get to choose how war will/won't escalate - however IMHO, bombing (for example) a maternity hospital in Europe should be enough reason to unconditionally help. BTW, the Russian people, by any measure, are majority behind the actions in Ukraine. Hello from Kyiv (my home, but I am not Ukrainian)

severino 5y ago

> and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. And what about you? Can you say your country, or your world, did everything it could to help the victims from other wars, some of which are ongoing too?

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ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>and I hope the world can one day say "we did everything we could to help Ukraine", because at the moment they certainly can't. I get you're not happy, and I'm also unhappy at our shitty European leaders who got cozy with Putin and got us dependent on their gas imports instead of going for energy self sufficiency like the US, so our heating bills were basically funding his war machine which is now being used against you, but claiming we're not doing everything we could is a bit exaggerated, no offence. We obviously can't mobilize NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine, but in Romania, Moldova and other not so wealthy neighboring countries, people are offering their cars and homes for the Ukrainian refugees for free, and the entire West public and private sector, has been helping Ukraine fend off Russia's cyber attacks on your country since the war started, with the US and Microsoft leading the charge and even Romania joining in[1]. I honestly hope the sanctions are hurting Russia enough to back off soon because I don't know what more we can do to help you without straight up going to war. [1] https://www.bitdefender.com/ukraine/ https://www.bitdefender.com/ukraine/

EB-Barrington 5y ago
"but claiming we're not doing everything we could is a bit exaggerated, no offence" You said it yourself - you are FUNDING this war. Honestly, no offense taken.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >you are FUNDING this war. I know, but it's not like we (the average people) have much choice in the matter. Our stupid politicians screwed us over (and you too) and got us addicted to Russian gas over the course of decades, instead of pursuing nuclear energy double time. Now, we can't just flip the gas switch off without society collapsing from massiv energy shortages. It will take many years until the dependency to Russian gas is reduced and by that time Ukraine might not be in one piece.