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My uncle's Google account was just shut down after they asked his age (for "personalization") and he filled in 1-1-2000, which is under 18. He had to send them

by tybris 15y ago

My uncle's Google account was just shut down after they asked his age (for "personalization") and he filled in 1-1-2000, which is under 18. He had to send them a copy of his passport to reopen the account.

magicalist 15y ago
it's more likely because it's under 13, which will get you kicked from a lot of services.
- gurkendoktor 15y ago
  Then they should make a checkbox for that instead of requiring the exact birthdate.
  - jonknee 15y ago
    Luckily Google has attorneys that they get legal advice from, not hackers: http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm "Ask age information in a neutral manner at the point where you invite visitors to provide personal information or to create their log-in user ID. In designing a neutral age-screening mechanism, you might consider: - Making sure the data entry point allows users to enter their age accurately. An example of a neutral age-screen would be a system that allows a user to freely enter month, day, and year of birth. A site that includes a drop-down menu that only permits users to enter birth years making them 13 or older, would not be considered a neutral age-screening mechanism since children cannot enter their correct age on that site. - Not encouraging children to falsify their age information, for example, by stating that visitors under 13 cannot participate on your website or should ask their parents before participating. In addition, a site that does not ask for neutral date of birth information but rather simply includes a check box stating “I am over 12 years old” would not be considered a neutral age-screening mechanism. - In addition, we recommend using a temporary or a permanent cookie to prevent children from back-buttoning to enter a different age."
    - wnight 15y ago
      How horrible. When asking an adult for proof of date-of-birth we clearly say "Because you can't come in and buy beer until you're 21". But kids don't get that respect. There's no worse way to handle this. It teaches kids to lie and there's no reason a less-than-13yo shouldn't have access to email anyways. Yes, it is the law, but it's just wrong.
      - jonknee 15y ago
        That's a terrible comparison. People have to show a government ID to buy alcohol, stating your age on a website is much less of a verification. Plus, there are few kids out there who haven't had the idea to lie about being 21--it's just much more difficult than giving a different birth date to a website.
        wnight 15y ago
        > People have to show a government ID to buy alcohol, stating your age on a website is much less of a verification. And yet it's worth enough that it's a law that you must attempt to trick the children. > Plus, there are few kids out there who haven't had the idea to lie about being 21 Of course not. Because it's not a secret restriction. So anyone any everyone can dream of bypassing it. And it's easy - you can get a drunk to buy booze for you anywhere. But instead of tricking people we still say it outright. We know some will be driven to crime but it's worth it that the law-abiding get to choose their path. Lying makes the law just an annoying obstacle to be bypassed instead of a healthy warning and in doing so starts to erode any trust its victims might have had in a just and reasonable government.
jonknee 15y ago
Blame the government, not Google. Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) pretty much makes it impossible for Google to provide accounts to people under the age of 13 without opening themselves up to major liabilities. Your uncle lied and mistakingly made himself appear to be too young to provide an account to, Google had no choice but to originally take him at his word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Online_Privacy_Protec...

by tybris 15y ago

magicalist 15y ago

it's more likely because it's under 13, which will get you kicked from a lot of services.

gurkendoktor 15y ago
Then they should make a checkbox for that instead of requiring the exact birthdate.
- jonknee 15y ago
  Luckily Google has attorneys that they get legal advice from, not hackers: http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm "Ask age information in a neutral manner at the point where you invite visitors to provide personal information or to create their log-in user ID. In designing a neutral age-screening mechanism, you might consider: - Making sure the data entry point allows users to enter their age accurately. An example of a neutral age-screen would be a system that allows a user to freely enter month, day, and year of birth. A site that includes a drop-down menu that only permits users to enter birth years making them 13 or older, would not be considered a neutral age-screening mechanism since children cannot enter their correct age on that site. - Not encouraging children to falsify their age information, for example, by stating that visitors under 13 cannot participate on your website or should ask their parents before participating. In addition, a site that does not ask for neutral date of birth information but rather simply includes a check box stating “I am over 12 years old” would not be considered a neutral age-screening mechanism. - In addition, we recommend using a temporary or a permanent cookie to prevent children from back-buttoning to enter a different age."
  - wnight 15y ago
    How horrible. When asking an adult for proof of date-of-birth we clearly say "Because you can't come in and buy beer until you're 21". But kids don't get that respect. There's no worse way to handle this. It teaches kids to lie and there's no reason a less-than-13yo shouldn't have access to email anyways. Yes, it is the law, but it's just wrong.
    - jonknee 15y ago
      That's a terrible comparison. People have to show a government ID to buy alcohol, stating your age on a website is much less of a verification. Plus, there are few kids out there who haven't had the idea to lie about being 21--it's just much more difficult than giving a different birth date to a website.
      - wnight 15y ago
        > People have to show a government ID to buy alcohol, stating your age on a website is much less of a verification. And yet it's worth enough that it's a law that you must attempt to trick the children. > Plus, there are few kids out there who haven't had the idea to lie about being 21 Of course not. Because it's not a secret restriction. So anyone any everyone can dream of bypassing it. And it's easy - you can get a drunk to buy booze for you anywhere. But instead of tricking people we still say it outright. We know some will be driven to crime but it's worth it that the law-abiding get to choose their path. Lying makes the law just an annoying obstacle to be bypassed instead of a healthy warning and in doing so starts to erode any trust its victims might have had in a just and reasonable government.

jonknee 15y ago

Blame the government, not Google. Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) pretty much makes it impossible for Google to provide accounts to people under the age of 13 without opening themselves up to major liabilities. Your uncle lied and mistakingly made himself appear to be too young to provide an account to, Google had no choice but to originally take him at his word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Online_Privacy_Protec...