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Good thing then Germany ain't antagonizing the US [0] or this whole topic would look very hypocritical [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_

Good thing then Germany ain't antagonizing the US [0] or this whole topic would look very hypocritical [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial... [1] https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53 https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53

refurb 5y ago
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- freeflight 5y ago
  And Germans call it "Heuchler", US IP law ain't "world IP law" no matter how much Americans insist it shall be. But it's fascinating how consistently Americans can preach "Do as we say, not as we do!" without the slightest bit of self-awareness, any such shall be considered "propaganda".
- anamax 5y ago
  "whataboutism" is what we used to call "equal treatment before the law".
  - refurb 5y ago
    Equal treatment of US behavior in the 1800’s to China behavior in the 2000’s under different treaties?
- coliveira 5y ago
  Is't that pure reality? America was fighting against the Nazi regime when at home they had the most severe apartheid regime in an industrialized nation.
  - watwut 5y ago
    They have been using the argument exclusively against opposition, whether domestic or not. So, you have Havel or other dissident complaining about what is going on in Czech Republic and Russia ... and they get response about America instead. The Soviet regime cared about those exclusively when using them as talking point. To shut up own critics and that is it.
    - coliveira 5y ago
      This might be the case, but it doesn't make the argument, per se, incorrect. In fact it is a correct argument, that's why it persisted.
      - watwut 5y ago
        It does make it incorrect. Argument is not "Americans lynch blacks and Americans should stop". Argument was "Americans lynched blacks in the past, therefore it is ok for us to jail internal opponents and ok to kick their loved ones from schools and work". American lynching's are no more relevant then Tibet or ancient Sparta when Havel is talking about events in Eastern Europe.
        coliveira 5y ago
        Oh, so in the same way that the American government mentioned communist crimes to justify going around the world and killing millions of people?

refurb 5y ago

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freeflight 5y ago
And Germans call it "Heuchler", US IP law ain't "world IP law" no matter how much Americans insist it shall be. But it's fascinating how consistently Americans can preach "Do as we say, not as we do!" without the slightest bit of self-awareness, any such shall be considered "propaganda".
anamax 5y ago
"whataboutism" is what we used to call "equal treatment before the law".
- refurb 5y ago
  Equal treatment of US behavior in the 1800’s to China behavior in the 2000’s under different treaties?
coliveira 5y ago
Is't that pure reality? America was fighting against the Nazi regime when at home they had the most severe apartheid regime in an industrialized nation.
- watwut 5y ago
  They have been using the argument exclusively against opposition, whether domestic or not. So, you have Havel or other dissident complaining about what is going on in Czech Republic and Russia ... and they get response about America instead. The Soviet regime cared about those exclusively when using them as talking point. To shut up own critics and that is it.
  - coliveira 5y ago
    This might be the case, but it doesn't make the argument, per se, incorrect. In fact it is a correct argument, that's why it persisted.
    - watwut 5y ago
      It does make it incorrect. Argument is not "Americans lynch blacks and Americans should stop". Argument was "Americans lynched blacks in the past, therefore it is ok for us to jail internal opponents and ok to kick their loved ones from schools and work". American lynching's are no more relevant then Tibet or ancient Sparta when Havel is talking about events in Eastern Europe.
      - coliveira 5y ago
        Oh, so in the same way that the American government mentioned communist crimes to justify going around the world and killing millions of people?