<Ukraine joining NATO is just not ever going to be allowed to happen.> I believe a lot will depend on the outcome of this war as well as its ramifications for

<Ukraine joining NATO is just not ever going to be allowed to happen.> I believe a lot will depend on the outcome of this war as well as its ramifications for Putin's grip on power. Ukraine has so far defied all the odds and I wouldn't bet against them at this point. If given a bloody enough nose Russia may not be in a position to never allow NATO membership to happen.