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Won't this soon be Russia now that Apple has cut all sales with the country?

dylan604 5y ago
Russia will be the new Cuba with phone tech 50 years old instead of cars. Or, they'll just keep supplying from China and not really notice
- dhosek 5y ago
  That assumes that the situation will last 50 years. Cuba has been embargoed by the US for so long because its oligarchs all moved to Florida and Texas and took their money with them and have bought themselves some American democracy with it. My cynical side thinks that the worst case scenario (short of nukes or full-scale WWIII) where Russia essentially annexes Ukraine like China did Tibet will eventually lead to roughly the same consequences for Russia that the Chinese annexation of Tibet did for China.
  - gerikson 5y ago
    Except Ukraine has 10x the population of Tibet and a land border with EU countries...
  - laurent92 5y ago
    When industrial partnerships are broken, there is no incentive to go back. No trust either, neither from the two sides, neither from companies to government not to shut down the transaction again at the first whim.
  - pmontra 5y ago
    My bet is that once Russia is on a black list for everything China is going to keep Russia on a leash. Buy enough from them in yuan to keep them alive, sell to them to get those yuans back, don't make them so rich to be able to rebuild a really worrisome army. And who'll be in the Cremlin will still rule over all of Russia and be rich and happy. I'd like to hear from someone in Russia to understand if this is a credible endgame.
    - chupasaurus 5y ago
      Russian here. IMO that's the most probable outcome in the short term, and this process started long before recent events.
  - bene_legionary 5y ago
    To be fair, the annexation of Tibet happened at a time where China was irrelevant on the world stage having come out of WW2 and a civil war almost completely ruined. Tibet wasn't recognised internationally as a country at the time because of the KMT claims to it. That's not to say that the CCP's invasion, annexation and suppression should have happened or was moral in any way, but Ukraine today has much more political clout and meaning than Tibet had 70 years ago, because attitudes and the capabilities of the countries involved today were different then than they are now.
    - dhosek 5y ago
      Reasonably point. I don't think (or at the very least I hope) that my worst-case non-Armageddon scenario will happen, but I suspect that the only thing that will end the Russian occupation of Ukraine will be the fall of Putin from power. But then I'm just some schmuck who doesn't know much more than anyone else.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    The way the escalation might go on, it probably won't matter how long it would last.
  - vhgyu75e6u 5y ago
    Cuba has survived for 50 year by leaching off from other countries, USSR until its fall, then Venezuela with two puppet regimes and when that also failed, Obama threw them Oxygen by opening up.
    - dhosek 5y ago
      They have the advantage that the embargo is unilateral by the US. They're cut off from their closest and largest potential trading partner, but there are still relations with the rest of the world. If anything, the embargo strengthened the regime by creating a convenient scapegoat for all of its failures.
- 2143 5y ago
  Or maybe the Russians might invent something of their own? They did have those space programs which were a big deal at the time.
  - chupasaurus 5y ago
    If we count China out, the all-Russian phone would be in a suitcase form-factor. The best tech process for chip making in Russia is 110nm, even though 90nm was bought a decade ago.
    - 2143 5y ago
      > the all-Russian phone would be in a suitcase form-factor You don't know that. If China didn't make phones, wouldn't you have said "all Chinese phones would be shaped like a pyramid"?
      - chupasaurus 5y ago
        China invests huge amounts of money in their own chip making and it didn't start yesterday.
ivan90210 5y ago
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Russia will be the new Cuba with phone tech 50 years old instead of cars. Or, they'll just keep supplying from China and not really notice

dhosek 5y ago
That assumes that the situation will last 50 years. Cuba has been embargoed by the US for so long because its oligarchs all moved to Florida and Texas and took their money with them and have bought themselves some American democracy with it. My cynical side thinks that the worst case scenario (short of nukes or full-scale WWIII) where Russia essentially annexes Ukraine like China did Tibet will eventually lead to roughly the same consequences for Russia that the Chinese annexation of Tibet did for China.
- gerikson 5y ago
  Except Ukraine has 10x the population of Tibet and a land border with EU countries...
- laurent92 5y ago
  When industrial partnerships are broken, there is no incentive to go back. No trust either, neither from the two sides, neither from companies to government not to shut down the transaction again at the first whim.
- pmontra 5y ago
  My bet is that once Russia is on a black list for everything China is going to keep Russia on a leash. Buy enough from them in yuan to keep them alive, sell to them to get those yuans back, don't make them so rich to be able to rebuild a really worrisome army. And who'll be in the Cremlin will still rule over all of Russia and be rich and happy. I'd like to hear from someone in Russia to understand if this is a credible endgame.
  - chupasaurus 5y ago
    Russian here. IMO that's the most probable outcome in the short term, and this process started long before recent events.
- bene_legionary 5y ago
  To be fair, the annexation of Tibet happened at a time where China was irrelevant on the world stage having come out of WW2 and a civil war almost completely ruined. Tibet wasn't recognised internationally as a country at the time because of the KMT claims to it. That's not to say that the CCP's invasion, annexation and suppression should have happened or was moral in any way, but Ukraine today has much more political clout and meaning than Tibet had 70 years ago, because attitudes and the capabilities of the countries involved today were different then than they are now.
  - dhosek 5y ago
    Reasonably point. I don't think (or at the very least I hope) that my worst-case non-Armageddon scenario will happen, but I suspect that the only thing that will end the Russian occupation of Ukraine will be the fall of Putin from power. But then I'm just some schmuck who doesn't know much more than anyone else.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  The way the escalation might go on, it probably won't matter how long it would last.
- vhgyu75e6u 5y ago
  Cuba has survived for 50 year by leaching off from other countries, USSR until its fall, then Venezuela with two puppet regimes and when that also failed, Obama threw them Oxygen by opening up.
  - dhosek 5y ago
    They have the advantage that the embargo is unilateral by the US. They're cut off from their closest and largest potential trading partner, but there are still relations with the rest of the world. If anything, the embargo strengthened the regime by creating a convenient scapegoat for all of its failures.
2143 5y ago
Or maybe the Russians might invent something of their own? They did have those space programs which were a big deal at the time.
- chupasaurus 5y ago
  If we count China out, the all-Russian phone would be in a suitcase form-factor. The best tech process for chip making in Russia is 110nm, even though 90nm was bought a decade ago.
  - 2143 5y ago
    > the all-Russian phone would be in a suitcase form-factor You don't know that. If China didn't make phones, wouldn't you have said "all Chinese phones would be shaped like a pyramid"?
    - chupasaurus 5y ago
      China invests huge amounts of money in their own chip making and it didn't start yesterday.

ivan90210 5y ago

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