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So single core performance is inferior to a 700$ CPU ( i9-12900k ). The M1 Ultra will be beaten within 6month for multi-core this summer on consumer grade amd /

by Thaxll 5y ago

So single core performance is inferior to a 700$ CPU ( i9-12900k ). The M1 Ultra will be beaten within 6month for multi-core this summer on consumer grade amd / intel CPU with reasonable price. It's impressive performance but for desktop termal / perf per watt is less relevant.

eyelidlessness 5y ago
Funny, one of the reasons I’m considering the new Mac Studio is specifically perf/watt, and I’ve been tethered-laptop for about a decade. I want a good fast computer that also stays cool without an absurd power draw. In that, the specs I have in mind are the same between the Studio and MBP (lowest CPU to get 64 GB RAM), and the Studio is about $1000 cheaper for that config.
- johnwalkr 5y ago
  The form factor is nice too. Desktop PCs really are comically large, even if you go out of your way to make one as small as possible.
  - burmanm 5y ago
    NUCs are smaller than the Mac Studio. Desktop PCs are comically large only if you want that comically large amount of extension capability. Which you can't get with any Macs.
manmal 5y ago
If I‘d need an always-on white noise generator that heats up my apartment in the summer, then a way higher TDP is something I‘d aim for, too.
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  You seem to be getting a cold response here but I feel much the same way. I'm tired of loud hot chunky computers. I want a computer where at idle not a single fan is spinning and hardly any power is causing coil whine. I want something where long term I can re-use the box as a neat little server. All this I/O and a nice bit of speed in this tiny quiet power-efficient little box? Sign me up!
  - saiya-jin 5y ago
    All this can be achieved with... well any other computer if you build it properly, for fraction of the cost.
    - faeriechangling 5y ago
      Nope, not if you want to run something like 4x4k and you're extremely sensitive to noise and want to run in SILENCE which I did. My desk setup is like the people in Apple's press conference, I'm the target market for this computer. The primary issue is that no matter what you do, the GPU you use is never going to run on idle and will constantly be running a bit hot. You can choose to use a professional card (cooler, quieter) or consumer (flexibility, resale, cost). I choose the latter. As for the build, I had 3 options: 1: Air-cooled - What I went with. High end fans, thick oversized heatsinks on every component, I went for a low airflow low-noise case to minimize high pitched noises (although this increases fan speed requirements and fan hum). I tried to get the fans to stop completely but I ran into too many issues with the card just not staying quite cool enough and the fans suddenly ramping and now let the GPU fans spin at about 900rpm while the case fans run around ~750. 2: Water-cooled - With very careful building, you can create a custom loop with large thick rads and slow quiet fans and a quiet pump, but this setup is hardly cheaper than the mac studio, or as quiet, or as cool, or as small. 3: passive - Probably the best option was something like a compulab airtop3, which is probably the closest equivalent to a mac studio before the mac studio aside from it being a bit worse in performance. It uses a 9900k and is a bit obsolete now, and was pretty pricy back in the day, but it's pretty cool engineering. Ultimately though, regardless of the options, none of these offer everything I need in anywhere close to the power envelope of mac studio, and more power usage = more heat, more size, more noise. The power efficiency of the m1 GPU is bonkers being built on 5nm and all. I have plenty of PC builds under my belt, I spent hours of research, I did an okay job, but I will never do as good as a job as a 3 trillion dollar company can. Why would I ever fuss with any of that ever again when I can just pay a little more to grab an m1 studio off the shelf that's a better computer?
arvinsim 5y ago
Don't even need to go Intel. If one only needs single core performance, the M1 Mini should be enough.

by Thaxll 5y ago

eyelidlessness 5y ago

Funny, one of the reasons I’m considering the new Mac Studio is specifically perf/watt, and I’ve been tethered-laptop for about a decade. I want a good fast computer that also stays cool without an absurd power draw. In that, the specs I have in mind are the same between the Studio and MBP (lowest CPU to get 64 GB RAM), and the Studio is about $1000 cheaper for that config.

johnwalkr 5y ago
The form factor is nice too. Desktop PCs really are comically large, even if you go out of your way to make one as small as possible.
- burmanm 5y ago
  NUCs are smaller than the Mac Studio. Desktop PCs are comically large only if you want that comically large amount of extension capability. Which you can't get with any Macs.

manmal 5y ago

If I‘d need an always-on white noise generator that heats up my apartment in the summer, then a way higher TDP is something I‘d aim for, too.

faeriechangling 5y ago
You seem to be getting a cold response here but I feel much the same way. I'm tired of loud hot chunky computers. I want a computer where at idle not a single fan is spinning and hardly any power is causing coil whine. I want something where long term I can re-use the box as a neat little server. All this I/O and a nice bit of speed in this tiny quiet power-efficient little box? Sign me up!
- saiya-jin 5y ago
  All this can be achieved with... well any other computer if you build it properly, for fraction of the cost.
  - faeriechangling 5y ago
    Nope, not if you want to run something like 4x4k and you're extremely sensitive to noise and want to run in SILENCE which I did. My desk setup is like the people in Apple's press conference, I'm the target market for this computer. The primary issue is that no matter what you do, the GPU you use is never going to run on idle and will constantly be running a bit hot. You can choose to use a professional card (cooler, quieter) or consumer (flexibility, resale, cost). I choose the latter. As for the build, I had 3 options: 1: Air-cooled - What I went with. High end fans, thick oversized heatsinks on every component, I went for a low airflow low-noise case to minimize high pitched noises (although this increases fan speed requirements and fan hum). I tried to get the fans to stop completely but I ran into too many issues with the card just not staying quite cool enough and the fans suddenly ramping and now let the GPU fans spin at about 900rpm while the case fans run around ~750. 2: Water-cooled - With very careful building, you can create a custom loop with large thick rads and slow quiet fans and a quiet pump, but this setup is hardly cheaper than the mac studio, or as quiet, or as cool, or as small. 3: passive - Probably the best option was something like a compulab airtop3, which is probably the closest equivalent to a mac studio before the mac studio aside from it being a bit worse in performance. It uses a 9900k and is a bit obsolete now, and was pretty pricy back in the day, but it's pretty cool engineering. Ultimately though, regardless of the options, none of these offer everything I need in anywhere close to the power envelope of mac studio, and more power usage = more heat, more size, more noise. The power efficiency of the m1 GPU is bonkers being built on 5nm and all. I have plenty of PC builds under my belt, I spent hours of research, I did an okay job, but I will never do as good as a job as a 3 trillion dollar company can. Why would I ever fuss with any of that ever again when I can just pay a little more to grab an m1 studio off the shelf that's a better computer?

arvinsim 5y ago

Don't even need to go Intel. If one only needs single core performance, the M1 Mini should be enough.