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Officially reversing the post-coup additions to the Ukrainian Constitution that make direct overtures to joining NATO? Russia has made this clear since the col
by yucky 5y ago
Officially reversing the post-coup additions to the Ukrainian Constitution that make direct overtures to joining NATO?
Russia has made this clear since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They invaded Ukraine after the Ukrainian coup in 2014. In theory, this made it impossible for Ukraine to join NATO. And yet here they are pushing (or being pushed by the US) to join NATO, despite knowing this will 100% begin WWIII.
So yes, the answer is what it always was. Ukraine can't join NATO, if they want peace with Russia. This is not a mystery.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoWhat is the action that you are suggesting?
- yucky 5y agoIt's in my last sentence. Ukraine can never be allowed to join NATO by anybody who hopes to avoid WWIII.
- InvertedRhodium 5y ago"Look what you made me do baby, you know I love you so much I just can't handle it when you talk to other alliances."
- monkeybutton 5y agoYou are arguing that Ukrainians are to be denied self determination?
- Karrot_Kream 5y agoEven Boris Johnson admits in his op-ed that NATO membership was never in the cards for Ukraine. [1] At some point we need to be realistic when talking about these issues. If you disagree, you don't need to tell HN anything; start with Boris Johnson instead. [1]: https://nyti.ms/3HJtyuv https://nyti.ms/3HJtyuv
- sofixa 5y agoNobody should take Boris Johnson's word at face value.
- yucky 5y agoIt's sort of the reality of geopolitics though. How would the US respond to Mexico joining some adversarial pact with China? And keep in mind the Ukrainian constitution forbade this as well, until the coup/revolution in 2014, and the further laws passed recently bringing this closer to reality all but guaranteed a Russian response.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago> How would the US respond to Mexico joining some adversarial pact with China? I do not think the US would invade Mexico as a result. How do you think the US would respond?
- yucky 5y agoThere is 0% chance that the US would not respond to eliminate that adversarial pact, with violence if necessary. The US just wrapped up two 20 year wars, one of which had nothing to do with anything.
- nickpp 5y agoAnd yet it is Russia invading and killing its neighbors as we speak, not the US (which admittedly is quite far from perfect too). As someone who lived under Soviet occupation, we never had any doubt which one is the evil empire. Joining NATO is just good sense for countries unlucky enough to be geographically close to Russia. One does not just live next to Mordor.
- yucky 5y ago>Joining NATO is just good sense for countries unlucky enough to be geographically close to Russia. The issue is for the good of the world, they can't be allowed to join NATO. If the price to pay to avoid WWIII is that Ukraine just doesn't join NATO, that's worth it. It worked for years. Clearly Russia views it as a direct threat, since NATO is really just an extension of the US military.
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