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I would like to say your argument is well thought out and eye opening. The people downvoting you are political and tribal. Don't be discouraged - even if the tr

I would like to say your argument is well thought out and eye opening. The people downvoting you are political and tribal. Don't be discouraged - even if the truth is on the bottom of the thread. It is still there.

robomartin 5y ago
Thanks. Yes, I understand this very well. I have this image of a petulant child downvoting without an ounce of thought or understanding. This is purely done on an ideological or (spoken as a child throwing a tantrum) "I don't like it! I don't like it! I don't like!" attitude. What I am saying isn't a matter of personal opinion at all. I make this very clear. This is about mathematics, physics and elementary calculations. Yet, nobody bothers to devote anything but a trivial amount of time to check what they are sure they know and question it. Just today I saw a press conference with the Vice President Harris and Pete Buttigieg. She went on an on about this idea of imagining that all of our heavy transportation systems became electric. Pink unicorns and bubble gum for everyone. Except, the entire thing is a pile of --sorry-- pure horse shit. Nobody wants to question this delusional drive into the disaster these people are going to create. Despite what this might sound like, I DO, want electric transportation. I want 100% of our ground and air transportation systems to go electric...eventually. The thing is, for that to happen we need to extract ourselves from the mass delusion/religion this has become and put down a solid plan to make it happen. It will take somewhere in the range of 25 to 50 years. That is, if we execute to perfection. The first thing we need is cheap oil. Which means producing as much of it as possible here. The next thing we need is a solid --as if our lives depended on it-- commitment to build as much nuclear generation capacity as possible. That means a minimum of 500 nuclear plants, likely of 1 GW class. And they can't take 25 years to be built. And, yes, solar, wind, renewables and batteries. Responsibly. With attention to total cost of ownership as well as total environmental cost. These things are not magical. They are not clean. These are dirty technologies, in different ways, but dirty just the same. You have to look at manufacturing, transportation, installation, maintenance and lifetime (replacement) costs and consequences. We can do this, but we have to stop lying and believing these lies first. That is what I am clamoring for.

robomartin 5y ago

Thanks. Yes, I understand this very well. I have this image of a petulant child downvoting without an ounce of thought or understanding. This is purely done on an ideological or (spoken as a child throwing a tantrum) "I don't like it! I don't like it! I don't like!" attitude. What I am saying isn't a matter of personal opinion at all. I make this very clear. This is about mathematics, physics and elementary calculations. Yet, nobody bothers to devote anything but a trivial amount of time to check what they are sure they know and question it. Just today I saw a press conference with the Vice President Harris and Pete Buttigieg. She went on an on about this idea of imagining that all of our heavy transportation systems became electric. Pink unicorns and bubble gum for everyone. Except, the entire thing is a pile of --sorry-- pure horse shit. Nobody wants to question this delusional drive into the disaster these people are going to create. Despite what this might sound like, I DO, want electric transportation. I want 100% of our ground and air transportation systems to go electric...eventually. The thing is, for that to happen we need to extract ourselves from the mass delusion/religion this has become and put down a solid plan to make it happen. It will take somewhere in the range of 25 to 50 years. That is, if we execute to perfection. The first thing we need is cheap oil. Which means producing as much of it as possible here. The next thing we need is a solid --as if our lives depended on it-- commitment to build as much nuclear generation capacity as possible. That means a minimum of 500 nuclear plants, likely of 1 GW class. And they can't take 25 years to be built. And, yes, solar, wind, renewables and batteries. Responsibly. With attention to total cost of ownership as well as total environmental cost. These things are not magical. They are not clean. These are dirty technologies, in different ways, but dirty just the same. You have to look at manufacturing, transportation, installation, maintenance and lifetime (replacement) costs and consequences. We can do this, but we have to stop lying and believing these lies first. That is what I am clamoring for.