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> It’s not philosophical- side effect risk for men under 40 is non trivial and if you have had COVID you already have some immunity. It's philosophical: > The

by _Nat_ 5y ago

> It’s not philosophical- side effect risk for men under 40 is non trivial and if you have had COVID you already have some immunity. It's philosophical: > The issues stem from [a lawsuit](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/02/18/could-the-supreme-court-strike-down-the-militarys-vaccination-mandate/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/02... ) filed in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida late last year alleging servicemembers’ rights are being infringed upon by the COVID vaccine mandate because their religious beliefs prevent them from taking the vaccine. From that link in the quote: > “Through much prayer and reflection, Plaintiffs have sought wisdom, understanding, and guidance on the proper decisions to make concerning these COVID-19 vaccines, and Plaintiffs have been convicted by the Holy Spirit that accepting any of the three currently available vaccines is against the teachings of Scripture and would be a sin,” according to a Florida lawsuit first filed in late 2021, then amended on Feb. 7 with additional plaintiffs.

gfodor 5y ago
Religious exemptions are the most plausible legal argument so it isn’t surprising that’s what will be filed - I should have known that was the alleged reason though, I responded hastily to the claim the request to get vaccinated is “benign” (it isn’t.)
- soneil 5y ago
  I'd be surprised if religious exemptions fly as far as people would think. How many vaccines have they had up until that point? Hell, how many did they have in the first two weeks of service. Lying about what makes this one different doesn't strike me as a winning move.
- _Nat_ 5y ago
  It would be sad to consider service-members making a fraudulent-claim to disobey orders. I mean, if they sincerely believed that they were created by a God and intended to follow God's laws, forcing them to refuse orders that they'd otherwise have complied with, then that'd be one thing. But if they're merely insubordinate and lying because they know the law wouldn't agree with them, then that'd seem different. Anyway, you're right that it'ld seem like an over-statement to call the vaccines "benign" in an absolute sense. Strange to think of service-members as being afraid of potential risks of that magnitude, though, if they'd voluntarily joined to serve in the armed-forces. I guess part of me kinda hopes that they're sincerely religious, as the alternative would seem distasteful. However, if they're just lying, then I suppose I'd speculate that they're making decisions based on political-ideology rather than a true understanding of the issues involved. For example, I'd be skeptical that most of them had even read a single academic-article on vaccines, much less be equipped to understand its contents.
gtest 5y ago
religious reasons are not philosophical reasons.
- sofixa 5y ago
  Really? Maybe that's a philosophical discussion in itself but how could they be anything else?
  - gtest 5y ago
    Philosophical in the broad sense includes practically everything: religion, mathematics, the sciences (as since it is an interpretation of the senses, coupled with philosophical assumptions such as "the scientific method likely leads to truth"). But what I meant here is philosophy in the narrow sense. Religion includes revaluation, a discussion of theology. (again, not to say that philosophy and theology don't interact: they do. see philosophical theology).

by _Nat_ 5y ago

gfodor 5y ago

Religious exemptions are the most plausible legal argument so it isn’t surprising that’s what will be filed - I should have known that was the alleged reason though, I responded hastily to the claim the request to get vaccinated is “benign” (it isn’t.)

soneil 5y ago
I'd be surprised if religious exemptions fly as far as people would think. How many vaccines have they had up until that point? Hell, how many did they have in the first two weeks of service. Lying about what makes this one different doesn't strike me as a winning move.
_Nat_ 5y ago
It would be sad to consider service-members making a fraudulent-claim to disobey orders. I mean, if they sincerely believed that they were created by a God and intended to follow God's laws, forcing them to refuse orders that they'd otherwise have complied with, then that'd be one thing. But if they're merely insubordinate and lying because they know the law wouldn't agree with them, then that'd seem different. Anyway, you're right that it'ld seem like an over-statement to call the vaccines "benign" in an absolute sense. Strange to think of service-members as being afraid of potential risks of that magnitude, though, if they'd voluntarily joined to serve in the armed-forces. I guess part of me kinda hopes that they're sincerely religious, as the alternative would seem distasteful. However, if they're just lying, then I suppose I'd speculate that they're making decisions based on political-ideology rather than a true understanding of the issues involved. For example, I'd be skeptical that most of them had even read a single academic-article on vaccines, much less be equipped to understand its contents.

gtest 5y ago

religious reasons are not philosophical reasons.

sofixa 5y ago
Really? Maybe that's a philosophical discussion in itself but how could they be anything else?
- gtest 5y ago
  Philosophical in the broad sense includes practically everything: religion, mathematics, the sciences (as since it is an interpretation of the senses, coupled with philosophical assumptions such as "the scientific method likely leads to truth"). But what I meant here is philosophy in the narrow sense. Religion includes revaluation, a discussion of theology. (again, not to say that philosophy and theology don't interact: they do. see philosophical theology).