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> What good does shutting the russians out of the internet do? It makes "going with the flow" less palatable. Generally, things have to get bad enough before p

> What good does shutting the russians out of the internet do? It makes "going with the flow" less palatable. Generally, things have to get bad enough before people deal with problems that enact large costs, and changing your government is expensive.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago
If the Russians don't know what their government is doing wrong, how can they petition their government for change?
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  > If the Russians don't know what their government is doing wrong, how can they petition their government for change? Do you genuinely think they won't know? Honest question. I'm a pretty spoiled first-worlder, so it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where the Russian people don't find out about the internet being blocked, or goods they once had access to to disappearing, or their overall wealth taking a sudden and steep loss. Seeing as how Putin is presenting essentially all of that information to them on government channels, just with a spin, I don't see "them not knowing enough" being an honest risk.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    Nothing is stopping Putin from claiming this is unilateral aggression on the West's part while hiding as much as they can about Ukraine. The USSR used this tactic all the time to exert their rule/influence in other Soviet republics and brutally suppress rebellions with most Soviet citizens being none the wiser.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      > while hiding as much as they can about Ukraine The part we disagree on is how much he s capable of hiding. I believe it isn't enough.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Russians will realize that the internet no longer works.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    How will they connect the dots that the reason the internet is not working is because of the Russian government's actions in Ukraine? What's stopping Russia from spurring homegrown competitors to Western tech services like China has and enforcing their own Great Firewall?

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

If the Russians don't know what their government is doing wrong, how can they petition their government for change?

BobbyJo 5y ago
> If the Russians don't know what their government is doing wrong, how can they petition their government for change? Do you genuinely think they won't know? Honest question. I'm a pretty spoiled first-worlder, so it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where the Russian people don't find out about the internet being blocked, or goods they once had access to to disappearing, or their overall wealth taking a sudden and steep loss. Seeing as how Putin is presenting essentially all of that information to them on government channels, just with a spin, I don't see "them not knowing enough" being an honest risk.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  Nothing is stopping Putin from claiming this is unilateral aggression on the West's part while hiding as much as they can about Ukraine. The USSR used this tactic all the time to exert their rule/influence in other Soviet republics and brutally suppress rebellions with most Soviet citizens being none the wiser.
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    > while hiding as much as they can about Ukraine The part we disagree on is how much he s capable of hiding. I believe it isn't enough.
colinmhayes 5y ago
Russians will realize that the internet no longer works.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  How will they connect the dots that the reason the internet is not working is because of the Russian government's actions in Ukraine? What's stopping Russia from spurring homegrown competitors to Western tech services like China has and enforcing their own Great Firewall?