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It's incredible the tolerance for antisocial behavior these days. There are people who will still burn trash amidst the worst consequences of climate change bec

It's incredible the tolerance for antisocial behavior these days. There are people who will still burn trash amidst the worst consequences of climate change because "only myself matters" attitudes. They want to enjoy the fruits of society without social responsibility.

Jotra7 5y ago
It's because we live in a corporate marketing curated hellscape of "rugged individual" libertarian consumerist zombies who have zero community awareness or empathy, drooling their way through their own exploitation while screeching about freedom. It's exhausting.
burner556 5y ago
There are those of us who think the collective good is supreme and are willing to violate individual rights to reach that good. There are those who hold individual rights to be the highest. I think the second is more compatible with the United States. We are guaranteed individual liberties.
- koshergweilo 5y ago
  > I think the second is more compatible with the United States. We are guaranteed individual liberties. Sorry but this has never been the case. I mean when the country was founded slavery was perfectly legal. The enslaved people would certainly argue that the US did not hold individual rights to the highest standard. Not to mention the first president literally did exactly what we're doing now [1] [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/viral-image/yes-george-washington-ordered-troops-be-inoculated/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/viral-imag...
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- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  You must ferociously support abortion, gay marriage, Black Lives Matter, and Dreamers. I salute you, valiant freedom fighter!
  - burner556 5y ago
    I support precisely half of those things.
logic_beats_pro 5y ago
Good point regarding "only myself matters". Just look at the reasons most people actually got the vaccine: - I don't want to die! - I don't want to be really sick! - I don't want to lose my job! - I want to travel! And on the opposite side of the coin, the "for the greater good" reason: - I want to prevent spreading the disease to my fellow man. Is not even a benefit of the vaccine.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  I'm not going to reason your argument because I've noticed it never works. I think you also want the things you're listing, but what is your core reason to refuse the vaccine? - You distrust the medical science of vaccines? - You distrust the data showing the current effect of mass vaccination? - Is it truly about individualism, or religion? - Does it have to do with politics and those damned democrats? - Because the governments didn't ask nicely? Remember that we're trying to stop deaths, not infections. It would be awesome if we could stop infections, but COVID mutates. Nevertheless, deaths have decreased sharply among the vaccinated population.
- e40 5y ago
  - I want to not infect and kill other people. Yes, there are many ways to play your stupid game.
qiskit 5y ago
> It's incredible the tolerance for antisocial behavior these days. Protecting one's body and exercising one's individual rights is not antisocial behavior. Just want to make that crystal clear. And nobody has the right to force you to inject anything into your body. Especially the government. Erich Fromm wrote the masses have a slavish need for authority and most people are incapable of being true free individuals. I really didn't believe until covid. You saw bits of it during the start of iraq war, but not to this degree.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  How do you protect others from your decision? Surely you're not planning to live alone to protect others, specially vulnerable people, from a preventable risk? Your rights stop where the rights of others begin.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    > Your rights stop where the rights of others begin. Which is why nobody has the right to force you to get penetrated and injected with something against your will.
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      Can you at least agree that others also have a right to not be sick because of your selfish decisions? Before the vaccines, people were dying because hospitals were saturated, it's clearly turned for the better after them, because people can still get infected and spread it, but their viral charge is mild. COVID can't be eradicated because there are animal reservoirs, but having people stubbornly refuse to vaccinate means they are like we were at the start of the pandemic, forming a permanent human reservoir breeding new mutations, because politics.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Wrong. American fetishization of individualism is a sickness that is literally rotting our society by causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Causing people to die is pretty much the absolute most anti social thing someone can do. Sure, no one has the right to force you to take a vaccine, but society absolutely has the right to completely exclude you if you are making decisions that are causing people to die.

Jotra7 5y ago

It's because we live in a corporate marketing curated hellscape of "rugged individual" libertarian consumerist zombies who have zero community awareness or empathy, drooling their way through their own exploitation while screeching about freedom. It's exhausting.

burner556 5y ago

There are those of us who think the collective good is supreme and are willing to violate individual rights to reach that good. There are those who hold individual rights to be the highest. I think the second is more compatible with the United States. We are guaranteed individual liberties.

koshergweilo 5y ago
> I think the second is more compatible with the United States. We are guaranteed individual liberties. Sorry but this has never been the case. I mean when the country was founded slavery was perfectly legal. The enslaved people would certainly argue that the US did not hold individual rights to the highest standard. Not to mention the first president literally did exactly what we're doing now [1] [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/viral-image/yes-george-washington-ordered-troops-be-inoculated/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/viral-imag...
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ASalazarMX 5y ago
You must ferociously support abortion, gay marriage, Black Lives Matter, and Dreamers. I salute you, valiant freedom fighter!
- burner556 5y ago
  I support precisely half of those things.

logic_beats_pro 5y ago

Good point regarding "only myself matters". Just look at the reasons most people actually got the vaccine: - I don't want to die! - I don't want to be really sick! - I don't want to lose my job! - I want to travel! And on the opposite side of the coin, the "for the greater good" reason: - I want to prevent spreading the disease to my fellow man. Is not even a benefit of the vaccine.

ASalazarMX 5y ago
I'm not going to reason your argument because I've noticed it never works. I think you also want the things you're listing, but what is your core reason to refuse the vaccine? - You distrust the medical science of vaccines? - You distrust the data showing the current effect of mass vaccination? - Is it truly about individualism, or religion? - Does it have to do with politics and those damned democrats? - Because the governments didn't ask nicely? Remember that we're trying to stop deaths, not infections. It would be awesome if we could stop infections, but COVID mutates. Nevertheless, deaths have decreased sharply among the vaccinated population.
e40 5y ago
- I want to not infect and kill other people. Yes, there are many ways to play your stupid game.

qiskit 5y ago

> It's incredible the tolerance for antisocial behavior these days. Protecting one's body and exercising one's individual rights is not antisocial behavior. Just want to make that crystal clear. And nobody has the right to force you to inject anything into your body. Especially the government. Erich Fromm wrote the masses have a slavish need for authority and most people are incapable of being true free individuals. I really didn't believe until covid. You saw bits of it during the start of iraq war, but not to this degree.

ASalazarMX 5y ago
How do you protect others from your decision? Surely you're not planning to live alone to protect others, specially vulnerable people, from a preventable risk? Your rights stop where the rights of others begin.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  > Your rights stop where the rights of others begin. Which is why nobody has the right to force you to get penetrated and injected with something against your will.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    Can you at least agree that others also have a right to not be sick because of your selfish decisions? Before the vaccines, people were dying because hospitals were saturated, it's clearly turned for the better after them, because people can still get infected and spread it, but their viral charge is mild. COVID can't be eradicated because there are animal reservoirs, but having people stubbornly refuse to vaccinate means they are like we were at the start of the pandemic, forming a permanent human reservoir breeding new mutations, because politics.
colinmhayes 5y ago
Wrong. American fetishization of individualism is a sickness that is literally rotting our society by causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Causing people to die is pretty much the absolute most anti social thing someone can do. Sure, no one has the right to force you to take a vaccine, but society absolutely has the right to completely exclude you if you are making decisions that are causing people to die.