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Ok, as someone who has long been very close to the rail industry, a few points: 1. "...the Long Island Commuter Railroad (LIRR) in New York City, which has no
by kposehn 15y ago
Ok, as someone who has long been very close to the rail industry, a few points:
1. "...the Long Island Commuter Railroad (LIRR) in New York City, which has no freight traffic" - Incorrect. The LIRR also is host to the New York & Atlantic railway, a freight line which does indeed operate on LIRR lines daily. Average train gross weight is about 1,200 tons for each freight on that line, not 100 tons.
2. "FRA staffers point out that it is unfair to compare US buffering standards with those in Europe because passenger rail in the US has to contend with more (and heavier) freight traffic." - They are quite right to do so. The US plays host to the highest density of freight rail traffic in the world with most trains exceeding 5,000 tons (some closer to 15,000).
3. "In both Europe and Japan, a competitive business exists in the DMU marketplace. But that market is off limits to US transit agencies because the FRA has effectively created a trade embargo." - Incorrect. In San Diego, the Sprinter lines use Siemens Desiro DMU's, a light design totally unadapted for the US Rail network as far as weight goes. The line also plays host to freight trains at night. How they got around the weight requirement, I do not know. Furthermore, the San Diego Trolley has the line from downtown to El Cajon by way of Lemon Grove. That line also plays host to freight at night - a streetcar line! The market is indeed open, but the trick agencies use to get around the requirement is a bigger question.
4. "The FRA proposed rule would only allow Quiet Zones exemptions at crossings that had been improved with "four-quadrant" gates and curb medians." - for good reason! Many fatalities happen at grade crossings and horns are one of the only really efficient ways to keep people off the tracks. Most other nations have few crossings, preferring grade-separated rights-of-way. However, in the US, drivers are often grossly idiotic and don't pay attention. Not how many grade crossing accidents you see on YouTube...
That said, it is indeed a major issue that the FRA rules apply to any rail line connected to the freight network that spans the nation. It would be far better if the regulations made clear exceptions for trains on passenger-only lines, hours of operation, etc.
For example, let's look at CalTrain. The main line up the peninsula only sees freight traffic at night. By setting operational rules that restrict speeds near freight trains, etc, this would allow much better equipment for CalTrain while continuing to let freight run at specific times.
The FRA very much needs to get with the program and allow better conditional standards.
- kposehn 15y ago_delirium pointed out the regulation that allows Sprinter and San Diego Trolley to get around the weight requirement in this comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3060835 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3060835 In doing some more research, Utah's FrontRunner has a completely disconnected network that allows them to get around the weight requirement. Apparently they went with standard US commuter equipment (MPI locomotives and Bombardier coaches) because of grade crossings and collision concerns. No sense in having a super-light train at high speed with grade crossing that carry many trucks.
- thingie 15y agoI'm used to see 10 trains on an electrified railway line an hour in each direction, some of them very light EMUs, longer locomotive-hauled passenger trains and heavy freight (ok, heavy is ~2000 tons). With the last deadly accident with a passenger train hitting the freight (and falling from the bridge after that) in... 1970.
- kposehn 15y agoYep, signaling and operating rules are the biggest concern. If you run a railroad properly, you reduce the risk at far lower cost. Which country are you in?
- thingie 15y agoCzech republic, but you could, of course, see the same thing in Germany or Poland. And of course, there are more frequent accidents on the lines that are equipped with only basic signalling. This year, a DMU hit shunting freight and one elderly woman died. But not because the DMU was badly damaged (I even think it's already back in the service), but because she wasn't sitting (the train barely left the station). I don't think that being in a heavier unit would help her. (Now, the line is being equipped with something that looks like ERTMS Regional, but... it's not. Another national standard...) And yes, there are quite frequent problems with signalling failures crippling whole lines for hours (not causing crashes, at least). Almost like we can't have a thunderstorm without some failure.