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M1 mini with 16GB RAM (most possible RAM): $1100 entry studio: $2000 That's a pretty big gap. Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to d

M1 mini with 16GB RAM (most possible RAM): $1100 entry studio: $2000 That's a pretty big gap. Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to do video editing on any M1 mac. Buying a brand new computer to do video editing that has only 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. $2k+ is too much for most people especially young "creatives" that are making entertainment (videos). Lots of people here make hundreds of thousands a year but none of those people make that money doing video editing or working in entertainment.

CharlesW 5y ago
> Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to do video editing on any M1 mac. 16GB is plenty, and in fact the conversation when the M1 Macs were introduced was whether having 16GB vs. 8GB of RAM made a difference. (Mostly, it doesn't.) https://www.4kshooters.net/2021/01/27/8gb-or-16gb-ram-for-video-editing-on-a-m1-mac/ https://www.4kshooters.net/2021/01/27/8gb-or-16gb-ram-for-vi...
jazzyjackson 5y ago
> 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it. They can only print so many M1max chips at a time, they want to sell them in a high margin machine. Give em a year and the M1max will trickle down to the mini.
- krunkcoin 5y ago
  "MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it." The only sense in which this claim is true is that macOS on Arm uses a 16KiB page size, while macOS on Intel uses a 4KiB page size. This is actually less space efficient (more wasted RAM due to partially filled pages), although it has performance benefits (N CPU TLB entries cover 4x as much RAM). If you needed 32GB RAM to avoid swapping on Intel hardware, you still do. There isn't anything which profoundly reduces memory use. Arm Mac hardware does tend to perform lots better while swapping than Intel, which fools some into thinking it is using less memory, but it isn't. (The reasons for the better performance: one, Apple put in a hardware accelerator block for the memory compression feature which allows macOS to sometimes avoid swapping to disk, so light swapping which only invokes the compression-based pager is faster. And two, the SSD controllers integrated into Apple Silicon are sometimes much faster than the SSDs in the Intel Macs they replaced.)
- tonguez 5y ago
  "MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it." Wow, you sure have given me a lot to think about.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    lol, if you're being sarcastic all I can say is I don't get a commission
- srvmshr 5y ago
  > MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it. I already use the 16 GB 13". And while your comment is correct for most consumer applications regarding memory compression, it may not work that well in numerical computing on Python or C++ e.g. where a lot of RNGs are used or 2D/3D arrays are juggled. Just clarifying. Your statement is mostly true - but not always. Having a higher RAM machine could help definitely.
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  - digisign 5y ago
    16GB RAM was a ridiculous amount for hobby needs, just a short time ago. If you have pro needs, step up to the pro machine. $2k is paltry in this inflationary environment. Will pay for itself in productivity forthwith.
thaw13579 5y ago
Maybe it's too much to expect a $1K computer to do heavy video work? Even then, I've been using an M1 macbook air myself for computational work, and haven't run into any memory issues and am surprised by how much power it provides for the price, and without a fan. The only issue I've had with the M1s is the display support, i.e. the mini only supports two displays and the macbooks only support a single external display.
- srvmshr 5y ago
  Thats sounding more like being an Apple apologist. And there are certainly other uses of graphics without using PS or InDesign involved e.g Meshlab 3D renders, computer graphics & raytracing where more RAM definitely counts. Upselling the Studio definitely hits the academic bracket (mine) hard, when it was perfectly possible to just introduce M1 variants, with its advantage of ports & more RAM. That sort of upgrade would have cost ~$1500 theoretically given Apple component listing, which is still 25% cheaper than baseline Mac Studio. (For students looking to upgrade, $400 is a month's rent saved)
  - thaw13579 5y ago
    I suppose the M1 pro is such a variant with more ports and more memory? For the M1 itself, it seems there are interesting aspects of the chip design that limit the total memory: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-new-Mac-mini-with-Apple-M1-only-have-a-max-of-16GB-RAM-whereas-the-Intel-has-up-to-64GB https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-new-Mac-mini-with-Apple-M... I also make no apologies for saying nice things about the current lineup, it's a clear improvement over 2016-2020 which I think was a step back in several ways.

CharlesW 5y ago

> Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to do video editing on any M1 mac. 16GB is plenty, and in fact the conversation when the M1 Macs were introduced was whether having 16GB vs. 8GB of RAM made a difference. (Mostly, it doesn't.) https://www.4kshooters.net/2021/01/27/8gb-or-16gb-ram-for-video-editing-on-a-m1-mac/ https://www.4kshooters.net/2021/01/27/8gb-or-16gb-ram-for-vi...

jazzyjackson 5y ago

> 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it. They can only print so many M1max chips at a time, they want to sell them in a high margin machine. Give em a year and the M1max will trickle down to the mini.

krunkcoin 5y ago
"MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it." The only sense in which this claim is true is that macOS on Arm uses a 16KiB page size, while macOS on Intel uses a 4KiB page size. This is actually less space efficient (more wasted RAM due to partially filled pages), although it has performance benefits (N CPU TLB entries cover 4x as much RAM). If you needed 32GB RAM to avoid swapping on Intel hardware, you still do. There isn't anything which profoundly reduces memory use. Arm Mac hardware does tend to perform lots better while swapping than Intel, which fools some into thinking it is using less memory, but it isn't. (The reasons for the better performance: one, Apple put in a hardware accelerator block for the memory compression feature which allows macOS to sometimes avoid swapping to disk, so light swapping which only invokes the compression-based pager is faster. And two, the SSD controllers integrated into Apple Silicon are sometimes much faster than the SSDs in the Intel Macs they replaced.)
tonguez 5y ago
"MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it." Wow, you sure have given me a lot to think about.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  lol, if you're being sarcastic all I can say is I don't get a commission
srvmshr 5y ago
> MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it. I already use the 16 GB 13". And while your comment is correct for most consumer applications regarding memory compression, it may not work that well in numerical computing on Python or C++ e.g. where a lot of RNGs are used or 2D/3D arrays are juggled. Just clarifying. Your statement is mostly true - but not always. Having a higher RAM machine could help definitely.
- deleted 5y ago
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- digisign 5y ago
  16GB RAM was a ridiculous amount for hobby needs, just a short time ago. If you have pro needs, step up to the pro machine. $2k is paltry in this inflationary environment. Will pay for itself in productivity forthwith.

thaw13579 5y ago

Maybe it's too much to expect a $1K computer to do heavy video work? Even then, I've been using an M1 macbook air myself for computational work, and haven't run into any memory issues and am surprised by how much power it provides for the price, and without a fan. The only issue I've had with the M1s is the display support, i.e. the mini only supports two displays and the macbooks only support a single external display.

srvmshr 5y ago
Thats sounding more like being an Apple apologist. And there are certainly other uses of graphics without using PS or InDesign involved e.g Meshlab 3D renders, computer graphics & raytracing where more RAM definitely counts. Upselling the Studio definitely hits the academic bracket (mine) hard, when it was perfectly possible to just introduce M1 variants, with its advantage of ports & more RAM. That sort of upgrade would have cost ~$1500 theoretically given Apple component listing, which is still 25% cheaper than baseline Mac Studio. (For students looking to upgrade, $400 is a month's rent saved)
- thaw13579 5y ago
  I suppose the M1 pro is such a variant with more ports and more memory? For the M1 itself, it seems there are interesting aspects of the chip design that limit the total memory: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-new-Mac-mini-with-Apple-M1-only-have-a-max-of-16GB-RAM-whereas-the-Intel-has-up-to-64GB https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-new-Mac-mini-with-Apple-M... I also make no apologies for saying nice things about the current lineup, it's a clear improvement over 2016-2020 which I think was a step back in several ways.