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And overnight, Intel's Ice Lake is again way behind.
by teilo 5y ago
And overnight, Intel's Ice Lake is again way behind.
- pjmlp 5y ago80% of the desktop market and 100% of cloud deployments won't care.
- brailsafe 5y agoWould 80% of "the desktop market"—whatever that means—care about Ice Lake to begin with, or any high end chip at all?
- pjmlp 5y agoWhat they definitely won't care is Apple hardware at Apple prices, specially outside first world countries.
- brailsafe 5y agoYa but they never have, and it seems a bit irrelevant in the context of this particular product. I'd see that being relevant if it was supposed to be a product with extremely broad appeal, but it isn't that even for first world countries.
- pjmlp 5y agoIt it relevant in the context that people keep celebrating M1 as if Apple would take over the whole computing world.
- fastball 5y agoI dunno, I think cloud is starting to think more and more about power consumption of the chips used, where Apple Silicon blows the competition out of the water.
- pjmlp 5y agoLet us know when Apple starts a cloud business.
- manquer 5y agoDesktop will care about noise of the fans. Data centers are also pretty conscious of power consumption, more power means more cooling infra required and higher energy bill, while it is not the top priority it certainly is a significant factor in decision making.
- pjmlp 5y agoBuying M1 chips from Apple isn't happening.
- manquer 5y agoNot chips, servers. Apple has sold those before.
- pjmlp 5y agoYou mean the commercial failure of A/UX and X Server? Good luck with those against Linux/FreeBSD workloads.
- manquer 5y agoThe point is they have experience, not they were good at it, unlike with selling chips. There are plenty of applications M1 is really good at, if Apple wanted to get into this space they could target , for example render farms.
- Thaxll 5y agoPC user don't pay 4k for a computer, on PC you can get 2x the speed for 2x less the price.
- samatman 5y agoLink me to the $2K computer that's twice as fast as the M1 Ultra. Take all the time you need.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago> Take all the time you need Check your replies in 10 years and I'll be able to list a dozen ;P But sarcasm aside yeah this chip looks insane.
- Thaxll 5y agoIt took less than 6month to have a faster amd / intel CPU than the m1 back then, Apple charts are showing performance / watt which for a desktop PC is kind of irrelevant. In pure speed amd / intel are faster or will be very soon. For graphic card I don't try to argue because fps on Mac are very inferior in games than a average modern card. It's not even on the same league.
- jamesy0ung 5y ago> For graphic card I don't try to argue because fps on Mac are very inferior in games than a average modern card. It's not even on the same league. The M1 is as fast as the 1650. I'm getting great frame rates at 1440P High on X-Plane > It took less than 6month to have a faster amd / intel CPU than the m1 back then, Apple charts are showing performance / watt which for a desktop PC is kind of irrelevant. In pure speed amd / intel are faster or will be very soon. Perf/Watt is very relevant. Electricity costs money and you also want a cool room.
- ishansharma 5y agoMay I ask the $2000 desktop configuration with 2x the speed? Of course Apple chips won’t work well for gaming, but what other benchmarks will this $2000 desktop win?
- adfgadfgaery 5y agoIce Lake shipped in 2019. The current generation is Alder Lake, which is slightly ahead of the M1 in single-threaded performance according to most benchmarks.
- sharikous 5y agoAnd massively behind in terms of power consuption
- mhh__ 5y agoIts behind M1 but it's worth pointing out that Alder Lake is not a power-hog on "normal" workloads i.e. gaming when compared to it's other X86 competitors. It only starts cooking itself on extremely heavy workloads.
- adfgadfgaery 5y agoYes, certainly. I don't think that's relevant in this case, though. Why would anyone care if their workstation CPU draws 60W or 200W? It's easy to cool in either case and the power consumption is trivial. M1 is clearly the best design on the market for mobile devices and is merely very good for desktops. Let's keep the enthusiasm realistic.
- abletonlive 5y agoYou say it's easy to cool but that's actually not the case, for anybody that cares about noise. Any music studio is going to happily take the 60W over 200W because they record and monitor music and need the quietest machine possible in the room. Unsurprisingly, it's called Mac Studio, as in music studio, or art studio, or what have you studio, where these things matter. This is a machine aimed at content creators.
- manquer 5y agoHigher power means more cooling, which usually means more noise. A lot of people find value in quieter machines.
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- mhh__ 5y agoIf you're going to be smug why not use a recent Intel chip?