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I'd buy one in a second if only it would support running vmware fusion - I still have to have one foot in Windows world, and not being able to spin-up and old w

by ejb999 5y ago

I'd buy one in a second if only it would support running vmware fusion - I still have to have one foot in Windows world, and not being able to spin-up and old windows vm is a deal breaker for me. (M1 chips won't support it). Sure hope my latest macbookpro with intel chip lasts a while, I fear it may be one of the last ones they make.

gzer0 5y ago
Have you tried Parallels? It works incredibly well on the M1 macs. https://www.parallels.com/ https://www.parallels.com/
- hughrr 5y ago
  Also UTM if you are a cheap ass like me. https://github.com/utmapp/UTM https://github.com/utmapp/UTM I use native virtualisation to run Debian arm64 and emulation to run Debian x86-64
  - temac 5y ago
    Quite slow and not multicore for x64-64 though. It eventually works, but you better take a spare PC for any non trivial task.
    - hughrr 5y ago
      I usually just run one in AWS when I need one if I'm honest.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  They may be referring to the Non-Arm Windows. Let me tell you Parallels running Windows ARM is the snappiest Windows experience I have had in years....only problem is that its Windows 11 :/ Really wish there was someway to easily run Windows 7 or 8 on this thing. It would be bliss. Now that Windows XP Source has been leaked, maybe we can come together as a community, try to harden the OS and make it forward compatible with ARM. Bring back the Windows that people actually somewhat liked! If only that wasn't a monumental task :/
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    It'd also be extremely problematic, akin to the challenges of clean room implementations, to build software around leaked source code.
- duskwuff 5y ago
  ARM versions of Parallels can only run ARM VMs. They can't run x86 VMs. Parallels' marketing site does not make this very clear.
- ejb999 5y ago
  Yes, but AFAIK, M1's will not support emulation of x86 based regardless of software vendor - and unfortunately, I still have to run some old VM's several times a week - include a very old Windows XP environment, and I don't think anyone's in any rush to support that anytime soon. Who knows, maybe get a Mac studio for my Mac work, and keep my MacBook Pro for when I need to run non-arm VM's
  - azinman2 5y ago
    Why wouldn’t it support it? Rosetta is built to do exactly that?
    - olliej 5y ago
      rosetta emulates/translates at the app layer, it's a much easier problem than system level emulation, for a wide variety of reasons. So you'd need a VM running windows/arm64, and then windows would have to use its rosetta equivalent to run the x86 binaries
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
I expect Microsoft's answer to that will be to run an instance of Windows in Azure.
TheRealPomax 5y ago
Why would you overload this machine for that need, though? Just have a laptop sitting on a shelf for when you need to spin up those old VMs, do what you need to do, and put it back on the shelf.
- ejb999 5y ago
  Its just the inconvenience of having to lug around multiple machines, and backup multiple machines - its nice when everything you need fits under your arm, but you are right - I could offload my old VM's, and may need to do that at some point.
AlphaSite 5y ago
For what its worth there is a tech preview: https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2021/09/fusion-for-m1-public-tech-preview-now-available.html https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2021/09/fusion-for-m1-pu...
- temac 5y ago
  For now do not attempt to run Win11 on it though. It kinda sorta works a little after doing tons of workarounds including some really crazy ones (network through a kernel debugger stuff or something; manually installing x64 store packages if you want the store, etc...), the graphics is crap, rdesktoping is not very good. Seems fine for Linux VMs though (then use them with ssh). If you want Win11 use Parallels, it works very very very well. You can even run Fusion tech preview and Parallels at the same time :)
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  I'm assuming you can't run the Intel version of Windows or am I wrong and it is emulating an Intel processor?

by ejb999 5y ago

gzer0 5y ago

Have you tried Parallels? It works incredibly well on the M1 macs. https://www.parallels.com/ https://www.parallels.com/

hughrr 5y ago
Also UTM if you are a cheap ass like me. https://github.com/utmapp/UTM https://github.com/utmapp/UTM I use native virtualisation to run Debian arm64 and emulation to run Debian x86-64
- temac 5y ago
  Quite slow and not multicore for x64-64 though. It eventually works, but you better take a spare PC for any non trivial task.
  - hughrr 5y ago
    I usually just run one in AWS when I need one if I'm honest.
nebula8804 5y ago
They may be referring to the Non-Arm Windows. Let me tell you Parallels running Windows ARM is the snappiest Windows experience I have had in years....only problem is that its Windows 11 :/ Really wish there was someway to easily run Windows 7 or 8 on this thing. It would be bliss. Now that Windows XP Source has been leaked, maybe we can come together as a community, try to harden the OS and make it forward compatible with ARM. Bring back the Windows that people actually somewhat liked! If only that wasn't a monumental task :/
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  It'd also be extremely problematic, akin to the challenges of clean room implementations, to build software around leaked source code.
duskwuff 5y ago
ARM versions of Parallels can only run ARM VMs. They can't run x86 VMs. Parallels' marketing site does not make this very clear.
ejb999 5y ago
Yes, but AFAIK, M1's will not support emulation of x86 based regardless of software vendor - and unfortunately, I still have to run some old VM's several times a week - include a very old Windows XP environment, and I don't think anyone's in any rush to support that anytime soon. Who knows, maybe get a Mac studio for my Mac work, and keep my MacBook Pro for when I need to run non-arm VM's
- azinman2 5y ago
  Why wouldn’t it support it? Rosetta is built to do exactly that?
  - olliej 5y ago
    rosetta emulates/translates at the app layer, it's a much easier problem than system level emulation, for a wide variety of reasons. So you'd need a VM running windows/arm64, and then windows would have to use its rosetta equivalent to run the x86 binaries

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

I expect Microsoft's answer to that will be to run an instance of Windows in Azure.

TheRealPomax 5y ago

Why would you overload this machine for that need, though? Just have a laptop sitting on a shelf for when you need to spin up those old VMs, do what you need to do, and put it back on the shelf.

ejb999 5y ago
Its just the inconvenience of having to lug around multiple machines, and backup multiple machines - its nice when everything you need fits under your arm, but you are right - I could offload my old VM's, and may need to do that at some point.

AlphaSite 5y ago

For what its worth there is a tech preview: https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2021/09/fusion-for-m1-public-tech-preview-now-available.html https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2021/09/fusion-for-m1-pu...

temac 5y ago
For now do not attempt to run Win11 on it though. It kinda sorta works a little after doing tons of workarounds including some really crazy ones (network through a kernel debugger stuff or something; manually installing x64 store packages if you want the store, etc...), the graphics is crap, rdesktoping is not very good. Seems fine for Linux VMs though (then use them with ssh). If you want Win11 use Parallels, it works very very very well. You can even run Fusion tech preview and Parallels at the same time :)
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
I'm assuming you can't run the Intel version of Windows or am I wrong and it is emulating an Intel processor?