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Neat! A race to the bottom where each country can adopt every bad idea another country has.

tptacek 5y ago
Like all fallacious slippery slopes, the fix here is to simply limit how far down you'll go. So the EU can ban RT, but then (I know this is hard to believe) not shut down all non-state media or stop people on the street to look at their text messages.
- OJFord 5y ago
  'First they came for RT, and I did not speak out because I was not an RT viewer' seems apt here. Fwiw I've long been surprised it's allowed (for years I mean, unrelated to any current affairs) but I think this thread is an interesting point.
  - pvg 5y ago
    It's about as inapt as it often is, since nobody is imprisoning or murdering RT.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"Like all fallacious slippery slopes" Think about it this way, "is this establishing a precedent"? Slippery Slope is not necessarily a fallacy. It is also one of those things where only time will tell.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    The idea of the slippery slope fallacy is that you can't just identify a sequence of causal connections; you can prove anything that way. You have to present evidence that the sequence of horrible things you predict will actually occur. Just identifying a slope (or an oil slick) isn't enough. Obviously, the argument I responded to is invalid on its own; we all intuitively understand that the EU is not going to end up managing its media the same way Russia does in some weird tit-for-tat, because Russia and the EU countries don't share the same values. You could argue otherwise, but you'd be making an extraordinary claim, and the standard of proof you'd need to bring would be, consequently, much higher.
whatshisface 5y ago
>"No doubt, one can hardly agree with the opinion that this is some sort of censorship," Peskov said, according to Russian state media. "This sphere - the sphere of fake news - insults and so on, is under strict regulation in many countries of the world, even in European states. This undoubtedly has to be done in our country." https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704600310/russia-criminalizes-the-spread-of-online-news-which-disrespects-the-government https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704600310/russia-criminalizes...
supergauntlet 5y ago
conflating "banning all independent media" and "banning a media outlet that repeatedly spreads lies" is the exact thing that the liars, hucksters, charlatans, conspiracy theorists all want you to do. Do you really honestly believe that responding with consequences to people doing bad things is the same thing as doing the bad thing? We teach children this but nobody cries foul when a child is put in time out for hitting their classmate.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >""banning a media outlet that repeatedly spreads lies" If I had the power, I would absolutely do this! But I suspect your list of media outlets that spread lies repeatedly is quite different from my own. Would you still support my power to censor as such?
hilbertseries 5y ago
RT is not independent media, nice try though. Keep fighting the good fight for fascism.

Like all fallacious slippery slopes, the fix here is to simply limit how far down you'll go. So the EU can ban RT, but then (I know this is hard to believe) not shut down all non-state media or stop people on the street to look at their text messages.

OJFord 5y ago
'First they came for RT, and I did not speak out because I was not an RT viewer' seems apt here. Fwiw I've long been surprised it's allowed (for years I mean, unrelated to any current affairs) but I think this thread is an interesting point.
- pvg 5y ago
  It's about as inapt as it often is, since nobody is imprisoning or murdering RT.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"Like all fallacious slippery slopes" Think about it this way, "is this establishing a precedent"? Slippery Slope is not necessarily a fallacy. It is also one of those things where only time will tell.
- tptacek 5y ago
  The idea of the slippery slope fallacy is that you can't just identify a sequence of causal connections; you can prove anything that way. You have to present evidence that the sequence of horrible things you predict will actually occur. Just identifying a slope (or an oil slick) isn't enough. Obviously, the argument I responded to is invalid on its own; we all intuitively understand that the EU is not going to end up managing its media the same way Russia does in some weird tit-for-tat, because Russia and the EU countries don't share the same values. You could argue otherwise, but you'd be making an extraordinary claim, and the standard of proof you'd need to bring would be, consequently, much higher.

whatshisface 5y ago

>"No doubt, one can hardly agree with the opinion that this is some sort of censorship," Peskov said, according to Russian state media. "This sphere - the sphere of fake news - insults and so on, is under strict regulation in many countries of the world, even in European states. This undoubtedly has to be done in our country." https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704600310/russia-criminalizes-the-spread-of-online-news-which-disrespects-the-government https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704600310/russia-criminalizes...

supergauntlet 5y ago

conflating "banning all independent media" and "banning a media outlet that repeatedly spreads lies" is the exact thing that the liars, hucksters, charlatans, conspiracy theorists all want you to do. Do you really honestly believe that responding with consequences to people doing bad things is the same thing as doing the bad thing? We teach children this but nobody cries foul when a child is put in time out for hitting their classmate.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
>""banning a media outlet that repeatedly spreads lies" If I had the power, I would absolutely do this! But I suspect your list of media outlets that spread lies repeatedly is quite different from my own. Would you still support my power to censor as such?

hilbertseries 5y ago

RT is not independent media, nice try though. Keep fighting the good fight for fascism.