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After a declaration of war, I think it’s okay to restrict the propaganda arm of the enemy for the same reason that putting up pro-Nazi posters in the middle of

After a declaration of war, I think it’s okay to restrict the propaganda arm of the enemy for the same reason that putting up pro-Nazi posters in the middle of London in 1940 would also have been restricted.

mythrwy 5y ago
I tend to agree. But where is the declaration of war by Western governments? Anyone who does something we don't like is a pretty large set of governments.
simiones 5y ago
Russia is not an enemy of any EU country at this time. If we were at war with Russia, I would entirely agree that blocking their media in the EU is justified, and I also agree that any blocking of their media in Ukraine today is justified. But outside of literal war, free speech is more important.
- raverbashing 5y ago
  Russia literally put a list naming every EU country and others as unfriendly yesterday Source: https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1500785501309222912 https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1500785501309222912
- 13415 5y ago
  Russia has waged a fairly aggressive indirect war with the EU and the US for a long time, I'm afraid. RT was one of those means, as were network attacks, as was the illegal financing of radical anti-constitutional and anti-democratic parties all over Europe and the US to destabilize political systems, as was the instigation and support of violent groups. Western governments and intelligence agencies have been way too lenient with Russian intelligence efforts in the past 10-20 years. Now that Russia has introduced a law that can jail journalists with 15 years in prison for mentioning that there is a war in Ukraine, it's plain obvious that RT and other Russian state press has nothing to do with journalism. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't remember having seen any local language Soviet TV channels officially being broadcast via Western European infrastructure during the Cold War either. You could only watch them e.g. near the border to the GDR... and nothing of value was lost.
  - Ourgon 5y ago
    Radio Moscow was available in a lot of languages (64 come the 1970's) back in the days of the Soviet Union. I came across it regularly when "surfing the waves" on my old tube radio back in high school (1980's), the signals were quite strong and that "Moscow Nights" tune made it easy to identify. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow
    - 13415 5y ago
      Nobody suggests jamming Radio Moscow, though. BBC radio can be received in Russia, too.

mythrwy 5y ago

I tend to agree. But where is the declaration of war by Western governments? Anyone who does something we don't like is a pretty large set of governments.

simiones 5y ago

Russia is not an enemy of any EU country at this time. If we were at war with Russia, I would entirely agree that blocking their media in the EU is justified, and I also agree that any blocking of their media in Ukraine today is justified. But outside of literal war, free speech is more important.

raverbashing 5y ago
Russia literally put a list naming every EU country and others as unfriendly yesterday Source: https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1500785501309222912 https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1500785501309222912
13415 5y ago
Russia has waged a fairly aggressive indirect war with the EU and the US for a long time, I'm afraid. RT was one of those means, as were network attacks, as was the illegal financing of radical anti-constitutional and anti-democratic parties all over Europe and the US to destabilize political systems, as was the instigation and support of violent groups. Western governments and intelligence agencies have been way too lenient with Russian intelligence efforts in the past 10-20 years. Now that Russia has introduced a law that can jail journalists with 15 years in prison for mentioning that there is a war in Ukraine, it's plain obvious that RT and other Russian state press has nothing to do with journalism. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't remember having seen any local language Soviet TV channels officially being broadcast via Western European infrastructure during the Cold War either. You could only watch them e.g. near the border to the GDR... and nothing of value was lost.
- Ourgon 5y ago
  Radio Moscow was available in a lot of languages (64 come the 1970's) back in the days of the Soviet Union. I came across it regularly when "surfing the waves" on my old tube radio back in high school (1980's), the signals were quite strong and that "Moscow Nights" tune made it easy to identify. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow
  - 13415 5y ago
    Nobody suggests jamming Radio Moscow, though. BBC radio can be received in Russia, too.