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I'm not sure how listening to Goebbels is useful to convince nazis of the errors of their ways. I'm not sure I support the banning of RT either, but pretending

I'm not sure how listening to Goebbels is useful to convince nazis of the errors of their ways. I'm not sure I support the banning of RT either, but pretending that RT is anything but pure propaganda is delusional.

aa-jv 5y ago
There is no such thing as 'pure propaganda'. There's only things 'our side do not agree with'. CNN is pure propaganda, too. It is extremely vulnerable to corruption and agitprop outside the normal scope of journalistic duty. But, I think Russians actually are not afraid of tuning into CNN, like Americans are - deadly afraid, it seems - of watching even a minute of RT. It really seems like mass hysteria, being exploited to ensure only one sides narrative is understood by the world.
- sega_sai 5y ago
  There is such thing as propaganda. It's when somebody explicitly controls what you can and what you can't say (among other things). CNN may be biased, sure and I have no problem with that (as with Foxnews), but with RT I have issues with. But again I'm not sure I support the ban of RT, just on a point of principle and because those bans were already used as rationalizations to close last independent media in Russia.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  It's also doesn't come across as a position of strength. More like hysterical reactionary thrashing about.
- kristiandupont 5y ago
  >There is no such thing as 'pure propaganda'. Why not? I find this "all opinions are equally valid"-style argument quite astonishing. And while pure censorship is bad, surely so too is the indirect style of censorship enforced by flooding the airwaves with false information to the point where people lose their belief in anything.
  - aa-jv 5y ago
    What defines 'pure propaganda' - things that are 100% not what "your side" agrees "the other side thinks"? There is only propaganda. There's not such a thing as impure propaganda - unless you think there are 'worthy victims' too, hmm ... ?
    - kristiandupont 5y ago
      Ah ok, you were just being pedantic. Fair enough.
theteapot 5y ago
You clearly haven't used the site. It's very much not pure propaganda. It's not even Breitbart level. Quite a wide range of content. Some good balanced journalism even. That's what makes it effective.
- jdrc 5y ago
  not sure if i ve seen a lot of 'balanced' content. Despite being a russian channel you ll never understand what s happening in russia because it's as if their government has never made any mistake at all. But it's generally a perspective, and watching it helps to understand what kind of propaganda makes most russians support this war

aa-jv 5y ago

There is no such thing as 'pure propaganda'. There's only things 'our side do not agree with'. CNN is pure propaganda, too. It is extremely vulnerable to corruption and agitprop outside the normal scope of journalistic duty. But, I think Russians actually are not afraid of tuning into CNN, like Americans are - deadly afraid, it seems - of watching even a minute of RT. It really seems like mass hysteria, being exploited to ensure only one sides narrative is understood by the world.

sega_sai 5y ago
There is such thing as propaganda. It's when somebody explicitly controls what you can and what you can't say (among other things). CNN may be biased, sure and I have no problem with that (as with Foxnews), but with RT I have issues with. But again I'm not sure I support the ban of RT, just on a point of principle and because those bans were already used as rationalizations to close last independent media in Russia.
mythrwy 5y ago
It's also doesn't come across as a position of strength. More like hysterical reactionary thrashing about.
kristiandupont 5y ago
>There is no such thing as 'pure propaganda'. Why not? I find this "all opinions are equally valid"-style argument quite astonishing. And while pure censorship is bad, surely so too is the indirect style of censorship enforced by flooding the airwaves with false information to the point where people lose their belief in anything.
- aa-jv 5y ago
  What defines 'pure propaganda' - things that are 100% not what "your side" agrees "the other side thinks"? There is only propaganda. There's not such a thing as impure propaganda - unless you think there are 'worthy victims' too, hmm ... ?
  - kristiandupont 5y ago
    Ah ok, you were just being pedantic. Fair enough.

theteapot 5y ago

You clearly haven't used the site. It's very much not pure propaganda. It's not even Breitbart level. Quite a wide range of content. Some good balanced journalism even. That's what makes it effective.

jdrc 5y ago
not sure if i ve seen a lot of 'balanced' content. Despite being a russian channel you ll never understand what s happening in russia because it's as if their government has never made any mistake at all. But it's generally a perspective, and watching it helps to understand what kind of propaganda makes most russians support this war