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Very ironic for a country that has banned almost any form of independent media that isn't RT, to then complain that the EU has banned RT.

patrickaljord 5y ago
So by this logic the EU should ban al jazeera.
- hermitdev 5y ago
  I'm not terribly familiar with al jazeera, but aren't they largely independent? I mean sure, a lot of middle eastern countries use them as their mouth piece, but I'm not aware of them being state sponsored media. Just because their reporting slant and opinions aren't always western aligned doesn't make them state sponsored propaganda like RT most definitely is.
  - anshorei 5y ago
    No, they're funded by the Qatari government
bigcat123 5y ago
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theteapot 5y ago
So the EU should follow Moscow's lead on free media?
- fastball 5y ago
  Isn't that kinda the idea though? The argument is that RT is already not "the free press" so the EU banning it is more like banning false advertising than limiting the free press.
  - deleted 5y ago
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Sebb767 5y ago
It would be quite hard to argue that we're better if we would simply start doing the same.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Neat! A race to the bottom where each country can adopt every bad idea another country has.
- tptacek 5y ago
  Like all fallacious slippery slopes, the fix here is to simply limit how far down you'll go. So the EU can ban RT, but then (I know this is hard to believe) not shut down all non-state media or stop people on the street to look at their text messages.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    'First they came for RT, and I did not speak out because I was not an RT viewer' seems apt here. Fwiw I've long been surprised it's allowed (for years I mean, unrelated to any current affairs) but I think this thread is an interesting point.
    - pvg 5y ago
      It's about as inapt as it often is, since nobody is imprisoning or murdering RT.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"Like all fallacious slippery slopes" Think about it this way, "is this establishing a precedent"? Slippery Slope is not necessarily a fallacy. It is also one of those things where only time will tell.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      The idea of the slippery slope fallacy is that you can't just identify a sequence of causal connections; you can prove anything that way. You have to present evidence that the sequence of horrible things you predict will actually occur. Just identifying a slope (or an oil slick) isn't enough. Obviously, the argument I responded to is invalid on its own; we all intuitively understand that the EU is not going to end up managing its media the same way Russia does in some weird tit-for-tat, because Russia and the EU countries don't share the same values. You could argue otherwise, but you'd be making an extraordinary claim, and the standard of proof you'd need to bring would be, consequently, much higher.

patrickaljord 5y ago

So by this logic the EU should ban al jazeera.

hermitdev 5y ago
I'm not terribly familiar with al jazeera, but aren't they largely independent? I mean sure, a lot of middle eastern countries use them as their mouth piece, but I'm not aware of them being state sponsored media. Just because their reporting slant and opinions aren't always western aligned doesn't make them state sponsored propaganda like RT most definitely is.
- anshorei 5y ago
  No, they're funded by the Qatari government

bigcat123 5y ago

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theteapot 5y ago

So the EU should follow Moscow's lead on free media?

fastball 5y ago
Isn't that kinda the idea though? The argument is that RT is already not "the free press" so the EU banning it is more like banning false advertising than limiting the free press.
- deleted 5y ago
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Sebb767 5y ago

It would be quite hard to argue that we're better if we would simply start doing the same.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

Neat! A race to the bottom where each country can adopt every bad idea another country has.

tptacek 5y ago
Like all fallacious slippery slopes, the fix here is to simply limit how far down you'll go. So the EU can ban RT, but then (I know this is hard to believe) not shut down all non-state media or stop people on the street to look at their text messages.
- OJFord 5y ago
  'First they came for RT, and I did not speak out because I was not an RT viewer' seems apt here. Fwiw I've long been surprised it's allowed (for years I mean, unrelated to any current affairs) but I think this thread is an interesting point.
  - pvg 5y ago
    It's about as inapt as it often is, since nobody is imprisoning or murdering RT.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"Like all fallacious slippery slopes" Think about it this way, "is this establishing a precedent"? Slippery Slope is not necessarily a fallacy. It is also one of those things where only time will tell.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    The idea of the slippery slope fallacy is that you can't just identify a sequence of causal connections; you can prove anything that way. You have to present evidence that the sequence of horrible things you predict will actually occur. Just identifying a slope (or an oil slick) isn't enough. Obviously, the argument I responded to is invalid on its own; we all intuitively understand that the EU is not going to end up managing its media the same way Russia does in some weird tit-for-tat, because Russia and the EU countries don't share the same values. You could argue otherwise, but you'd be making an extraordinary claim, and the standard of proof you'd need to bring would be, consequently, much higher.