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Haha. Maybe after Russia answers for war crimes the EU top court can focus on RT ban.

by avgDev 5y ago

patrickaljord 5y ago
And hopefully after that they will focus on EU and US war crimes.
- gordon_freeman 5y ago
  - patrickaljord 5y ago
    didn't know they were saving democracy in Yemen
- sschueller 5y ago
  They won't focus on US war crimes as they are not a signatory of the ICC and even have a law to "invade" the Haag to extract any US service personal facing such prosecution. [1] I also expect the US to veto (if they have to, China may do it anyway) any UN security council decision that would make some way for Russia to face war crimes as it will eventually backfire. Especially since the US has been the one vetoing resolutions against Israel on multiple occasions. [2] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us-blocking-un-resolutions-against-israel https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us...
  - patrickaljord 5y ago
    I was being sarcastic, of course they won't, because they don't care. They only enforce said war crimes against geopolitical enemies such as Russia.
Ygg2 5y ago
Man, if I'd been in Russia's place, I'd ask for equal treatment. I.e. wait for court to indicte responsible for drone killings,Yemen, Iraq, etc. I imagine I'd wait quite a lot. EDIT: Indict -> Indicte
- supergauntlet 5y ago
  Indict, but you're right. The international community has egg on its face from how it is treating Russia vs. how it is not treating Saudi Arabia. The parallels with the Saudi-Yemen war are many: it's an invasion of a neighboring country in the middle of a civil war under the pretense of stamping out problematic elements that has had a lot of collateral damage. Yet the Saudis get to continue being a member of the United Nations and benefit from their close alliance with the United States. Don't get me wrong, I think that Russia's punishment is both justified and fair. I just think that it's absurd that they're getting hit with the bat when the Saudis have done the same thing in our very recent past and have faced no real consequences.
nickff 5y ago
This is whataboutism; the EU should be upholding its laws, and the International Criminal Courts should uphold theirs. There's no reason to mix the issues.
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DocTomoe 5y ago
Rule of law must never be transactional. If war crimes have been committed is a matter for other courts to decide. If the RT ban is legitimate, the EU General Court will decide. We in the west do well to remember not to follow the same kangaroo court structures that we protest when other blocs mix politics with justice.

Haha. Maybe after Russia answers for war crimes the EU top court can focus on RT ban.

by avgDev 5y ago

Haha. Maybe after Russia answers for war crimes the EU top court can focus on RT ban.

patrickaljord 5y ago

And hopefully after that they will focus on EU and US war crimes.

gordon_freeman 5y ago
- patrickaljord 5y ago
  didn't know they were saving democracy in Yemen
sschueller 5y ago
They won't focus on US war crimes as they are not a signatory of the ICC and even have a law to "invade" the Haag to extract any US service personal facing such prosecution. [1] I also expect the US to veto (if they have to, China may do it anyway) any UN security council decision that would make some way for Russia to face war crimes as it will eventually backfire. Especially since the US has been the one vetoing resolutions against Israel on multiple occasions. [2] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us-blocking-un-resolutions-against-israel https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us...
- patrickaljord 5y ago
  I was being sarcastic, of course they won't, because they don't care. They only enforce said war crimes against geopolitical enemies such as Russia.

Ygg2 5y ago

Man, if I'd been in Russia's place, I'd ask for equal treatment. I.e. wait for court to indicte responsible for drone killings,Yemen, Iraq, etc. I imagine I'd wait quite a lot. EDIT: Indict -> Indicte

supergauntlet 5y ago
Indict, but you're right. The international community has egg on its face from how it is treating Russia vs. how it is not treating Saudi Arabia. The parallels with the Saudi-Yemen war are many: it's an invasion of a neighboring country in the middle of a civil war under the pretense of stamping out problematic elements that has had a lot of collateral damage. Yet the Saudis get to continue being a member of the United Nations and benefit from their close alliance with the United States. Don't get me wrong, I think that Russia's punishment is both justified and fair. I just think that it's absurd that they're getting hit with the bat when the Saudis have done the same thing in our very recent past and have faced no real consequences.

nickff 5y ago

This is whataboutism; the EU should be upholding its laws, and the International Criminal Courts should uphold theirs. There's no reason to mix the issues.

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DocTomoe 5y ago

Rule of law must never be transactional. If war crimes have been committed is a matter for other courts to decide. If the RT ban is legitimate, the EU General Court will decide. We in the west do well to remember not to follow the same kangaroo court structures that we protest when other blocs mix politics with justice.