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100%. I got an iPhone 13 but didn't like it. Took it back and bought a refurbished iPhone8+. I'm delighted that Apple hasn't ignored those of us who really love

by grej 5y ago

100%. I got an iPhone 13 but didn't like it. Took it back and bought a refurbished iPhone8+. I'm delighted that Apple hasn't ignored those of us who really love our home button and touchid unlock.

mrfusion 5y ago
Why not?
- easton 5y ago
  Face ID is a step back in usability for most cases, since you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay, doesn’t work if someone else needs to change music, doesn’t work if the phone’s in your pocket and you want Siri to continue telling you privileged info. They just solved masks (in beta), but that still doesn’t work for Apple Pay or app authentication. The amount of times I’ve had to pull over to punch in my alphanumeric passcode so the passenger can get to Google Maps makes me want to throw the phone in the creek. I think they’ll make some triumphant return to Touch ID in the power button at some point, because they don’t really seem to feel like making Face ID better right now either. I’m not sure what the big draw is, as in the best case it’s as usable as Touch ID was.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    Face ID is a terrible compromise to make the "borderless", no-home-button design work at a time where they couldn't get either under-screen fingerprint sensors nor put one on the side or the back. Form over function, as usual.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    >Face ID is a step back in usability for most cases, since you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. You can flip a switch in the settings to turn off the requirement to look at the phone to unlock it.
    - easton 5y ago
      My face still has to be in front of the screen, even if I’m not “paying attention” to it. That doesn’t solve most of the usability issues, unfortunately.
  - hughrr 5y ago
    Touch ID seems to stop working when people get old. Several people I know it doesn’t work properly for. Skin related.
  - gnicholas 5y ago
    I live in CA and love Touch ID. But I have friends who live in colder/wetter places who don't like taking off gloves or drying off fingers to unlock their phones. Touch ID and Face ID are both mixed bags. Would be great if they had both, but I understand that space is at a premium and they may want to push for a single authentication solution.
  - krrrh 5y ago
    > Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay, doesn’t work if someone else needs to change music, doesn’t work if the phone’s in your pocket and you want Siri to continue telling you privileged info. They just solved masks (in beta), but that still doesn’t work for Apple Pay or app authentication As usual with Apple the Siri message notifications and unlocking while masked work fine if you have AirPods and an Apple Watch, everything is always optimized for the integrated experience. Personally I prefer faceID and the chinless display plus not having to find the touch pad on the back like a pixel phone. For carplay though, you really should enable it before you hit the road, even with touchid.
  - bitwidget 5y ago
    I'm actually in the other camp. I'm currently running an iPhone 8 and the touch id has been very inconsistent in actually unlocking for me. I have to position my finger in a specific way (I even have tried reenrolling my fingerprints) and to no avail. I do usually get sweaty palms and fingers so perhaps that has something to do with it but, in my opinion, touch id isn't perfect for me.
  - mandeepj 5y ago
    > you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay You can't look at your phone for a nano-second while driving? If still no, then here are your alternates you can explore - 1. Setup an alternate appearance: like side pose 2. Turn off "Require Attention for Face ID" 3. Unlock phone with voice commands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeJQHBBpUPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeJQHBBpUPs 4. Allow access for CarPlay when locked - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8519499 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8519499
- gnicholas 5y ago
  Not GP, but I decided against the 13 because of the size and weight. I ended up getting a 13 Mini, despite concerns about battery life. I wish the 13s had the in-button Touch ID that Apple put on the iPad. It would have been very useful during COVID masking, though I understand that sort of thing would've needed to already have been in the works for it to have landed last fall.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  In my case Face ID was a significant downgrade, even before the pandemic and masks. With Touch ID, I can reach into my pocket, place my finger on the button as I'm taking the phone out, and by the time I got the phone out it's already unlocked, played the unlock animation and is on the home screen. If the phone is on the table/etc I can just put my finger on the button and unlock it - so again by the time I actually grab the phone it's unlocked (that is - if I need to grab it - maybe I just wanted to glance at the notification I just received, or pass it to another person). With Face ID, the phone needs to be in front of your face just to begin the unlock sequence, and needs to be at a certain distance and in clear view of your face. Masks break this, but so do even pre-pandemic things like being in bed and having some of your face obstructed by pillows/blankets.
  - thom 5y ago
    Yep, Face ID is miserable. I can feel myself inwardly flinching every time I know I’m going to have to interact with it. All the swiping, the double tap for Apple Pay, just about everything is slower and less reliable, for no gain at all. That said, my wife gets quite dry hands and has never been able to use the fingerprint sensor reliably so this is a golden age for her. Would be nice to have the option of both going forward.
    - ksec 5y ago
      And Apple Transit / Transport. If you have your FaceID unlock failure multiple time, ( You are not looking at the screen or mask ), the Transit wont work at all. You have to be up at the gate and do FaceID authentication.
  - alwillis 5y ago
    Face ID in iOS 15.4 supports unlocking while wearing a mask. I've been testing the public beta and it works great: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/27/face-id-mask-ios-15-4 https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/27/face-id-mask-ios-15-4
  - jrockway 5y ago
    Can someone explain to me why unlocking with FaceID requires you to swipe up? Pressing the power button and having my face visible seems like a good signal to let me start interacting with icons. That, to me, was the FaceID downgrade. It's still easy to unlock when you pull it out of your pocket, it's just annoying that you have to shift your grip downwards to swipe up. (One problem with designing products in California is that they don't have public transportation, so nobody beta testing the phone is standing on a crowded subway, hanging on with one hand and trying to use their phone with the other. The SE was great for one-handed use. The subsequent phones are difficult there.)

by grej 5y ago

100%. I got an iPhone 13 but didn't like it. Took it back and bought a refurbished iPhone8+. I'm delighted that Apple hasn't ignored those of us who really love our home button and touchid unlock.

mrfusion 5y ago

Why not?

easton 5y ago
Face ID is a step back in usability for most cases, since you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay, doesn’t work if someone else needs to change music, doesn’t work if the phone’s in your pocket and you want Siri to continue telling you privileged info. They just solved masks (in beta), but that still doesn’t work for Apple Pay or app authentication. The amount of times I’ve had to pull over to punch in my alphanumeric passcode so the passenger can get to Google Maps makes me want to throw the phone in the creek. I think they’ll make some triumphant return to Touch ID in the power button at some point, because they don’t really seem to feel like making Face ID better right now either. I’m not sure what the big draw is, as in the best case it’s as usable as Touch ID was.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Face ID is a terrible compromise to make the "borderless", no-home-button design work at a time where they couldn't get either under-screen fingerprint sensors nor put one on the side or the back. Form over function, as usual.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  >Face ID is a step back in usability for most cases, since you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. You can flip a switch in the settings to turn off the requirement to look at the phone to unlock it.
  - easton 5y ago
    My face still has to be in front of the screen, even if I’m not “paying attention” to it. That doesn’t solve most of the usability issues, unfortunately.
- hughrr 5y ago
  Touch ID seems to stop working when people get old. Several people I know it doesn’t work properly for. Skin related.
- gnicholas 5y ago
  I live in CA and love Touch ID. But I have friends who live in colder/wetter places who don't like taking off gloves or drying off fingers to unlock their phones. Touch ID and Face ID are both mixed bags. Would be great if they had both, but I understand that space is at a premium and they may want to push for a single authentication solution.
- krrrh 5y ago
  > Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay, doesn’t work if someone else needs to change music, doesn’t work if the phone’s in your pocket and you want Siri to continue telling you privileged info. They just solved masks (in beta), but that still doesn’t work for Apple Pay or app authentication As usual with Apple the Siri message notifications and unlocking while masked work fine if you have AirPods and an Apple Watch, everything is always optimized for the integrated experience. Personally I prefer faceID and the chinless display plus not having to find the touch pad on the back like a pixel phone. For carplay though, you really should enable it before you hit the road, even with touchid.
- bitwidget 5y ago
  I'm actually in the other camp. I'm currently running an iPhone 8 and the touch id has been very inconsistent in actually unlocking for me. I have to position my finger in a specific way (I even have tried reenrolling my fingerprints) and to no avail. I do usually get sweaty palms and fingers so perhaps that has something to do with it but, in my opinion, touch id isn't perfect for me.
- mandeepj 5y ago
  > you have to be looking at your phone to unlock it. Doesn’t work if you’re in the car and need to unlock for CarPlay You can't look at your phone for a nano-second while driving? If still no, then here are your alternates you can explore - 1. Setup an alternate appearance: like side pose 2. Turn off "Require Attention for Face ID" 3. Unlock phone with voice commands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeJQHBBpUPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeJQHBBpUPs 4. Allow access for CarPlay when locked - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8519499 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8519499
gnicholas 5y ago
Not GP, but I decided against the 13 because of the size and weight. I ended up getting a 13 Mini, despite concerns about battery life. I wish the 13s had the in-button Touch ID that Apple put on the iPad. It would have been very useful during COVID masking, though I understand that sort of thing would've needed to already have been in the works for it to have landed last fall.
Nextgrid 5y ago
In my case Face ID was a significant downgrade, even before the pandemic and masks. With Touch ID, I can reach into my pocket, place my finger on the button as I'm taking the phone out, and by the time I got the phone out it's already unlocked, played the unlock animation and is on the home screen. If the phone is on the table/etc I can just put my finger on the button and unlock it - so again by the time I actually grab the phone it's unlocked (that is - if I need to grab it - maybe I just wanted to glance at the notification I just received, or pass it to another person). With Face ID, the phone needs to be in front of your face just to begin the unlock sequence, and needs to be at a certain distance and in clear view of your face. Masks break this, but so do even pre-pandemic things like being in bed and having some of your face obstructed by pillows/blankets.
- thom 5y ago
  Yep, Face ID is miserable. I can feel myself inwardly flinching every time I know I’m going to have to interact with it. All the swiping, the double tap for Apple Pay, just about everything is slower and less reliable, for no gain at all. That said, my wife gets quite dry hands and has never been able to use the fingerprint sensor reliably so this is a golden age for her. Would be nice to have the option of both going forward.
  - ksec 5y ago
    And Apple Transit / Transport. If you have your FaceID unlock failure multiple time, ( You are not looking at the screen or mask ), the Transit wont work at all. You have to be up at the gate and do FaceID authentication.
- alwillis 5y ago
  Face ID in iOS 15.4 supports unlocking while wearing a mask. I've been testing the public beta and it works great: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/27/face-id-mask-ios-15-4 https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/27/face-id-mask-ios-15-4
- jrockway 5y ago
  Can someone explain to me why unlocking with FaceID requires you to swipe up? Pressing the power button and having my face visible seems like a good signal to let me start interacting with icons. That, to me, was the FaceID downgrade. It's still easy to unlock when you pull it out of your pocket, it's just annoying that you have to shift your grip downwards to swipe up. (One problem with designing products in California is that they don't have public transportation, so nobody beta testing the phone is standing on a crowded subway, hanging on with one hand and trying to use their phone with the other. The SE was great for one-handed use. The subsequent phones are difficult there.)