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I think you are conflating media and social media. If any of these stories were picked by something like NYT, it would be "here are some examples of local stori

I think you are conflating media and social media. If any of these stories were picked by something like NYT, it would be "here are some examples of local stories going around to strengthen the morale", never as "truth". Actually, even reddit comments were generally "I know the Ghost is made up, it would be silly to believe it, but gosh, it is a good story". Moreover, the radiation in Chernobil did rise (measurably, but trivially). That has nothing to do with the active nuclear plant where actual fights happened.

rdiddly 5y ago
The question was about propaganda, which happens on both social media and traditional media.
user3939382 5y ago
> you are conflating media and social media https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/ukraine-soldiers-told-russians-to-go-fuck-yourself-before-black-sea-island-death https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/ukraine-soldie... https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russia-confronttion-killed-audio-1682562 https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russi... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-soldiers-snake-island-russia-warship-b2023039.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-sold... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/russia-ukraine-attack-news/#link-2ZAPVZZQOZCPJJADKC2SV4VJUE https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/russia-ukrai... I could go on, but you get the point. These were definitely fake stories propagated by the western media as part of their propaganda campaign against Russia. Even if these outlets didn't know they were fake, they also didn't bother to check.
- krastanov 5y ago
  I stand corrected on half of a story (I am certainly surprised The Guardian did not make it more clear that they are citing Zelensky, the way WaPo did).
- jjulius 5y ago
  Did you wanna include the part where outlets corrected themselves? Stories change - you do your best to verify, and then report the change once more information comes out. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island-defenders-who-told-russian-officer-go-fuck-yourself-may-still-be-alive https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island...
  - SamPatt 5y ago
    Media reporting falsehoods then later correcting them doesn't mean the media isn't reporting falsehoods. Retractions always - ALWAYS - get less attention than the initial story. They aren't in the business of spreading truth, they are a business with incentives to gain people's attention.
    - oezi 5y ago
      Still a big difference with propaganda which is intentionally misleading with an agenda. For all the mentioned stories it is clear that these weren't drafted up in a backoffice (such as Putin's propaganda about the genocide in eastern Ukraine).
      - thiagoharry 5y ago
        How is this not propaganda if these news source have a side and put much more positive news for one side than the other? Donbass is being shelled for 8 years. UN recognizes more than 10,000 deaths in the conflict there. The few journalists that interviewed people there got some interviews that really describes war crimes (watched recently an italian documentary that collected testimonialsthere). Which is not surprising, since neonazi groups were integrated to Ukranian army. You may dispute that this should be classified as genocide, but there are human rights violations happening there and this is not just Russia propaganda.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Every one of the stories you link make it clear that the reports came from Ukranian sources. Nowhere in these stories do the news outlets claim that the Ukranian reports were independently verified. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about. These news outlets are reporting what Ukranian sources say, just as they report what Russian sources say.
  - dustypotato 5y ago
    In the first few sentences, they mention these things as facts. And maybe at the fifth or so, it's mentioned that "Ukrainian media reported". It's clear that they are sourcing it from Ukrainian sources, but they present them as facts too.

rdiddly 5y ago

The question was about propaganda, which happens on both social media and traditional media.

user3939382 5y ago

> you are conflating media and social media https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/ukraine-soldiers-told-russians-to-go-fuck-yourself-before-black-sea-island-death https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/ukraine-soldie... https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russia-confronttion-killed-audio-1682562 https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russi... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-soldiers-snake-island-russia-warship-b2023039.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-sold... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/russia-ukraine-attack-news/#link-2ZAPVZZQOZCPJJADKC2SV4VJUE https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/russia-ukrai... I could go on, but you get the point. These were definitely fake stories propagated by the western media as part of their propaganda campaign against Russia. Even if these outlets didn't know they were fake, they also didn't bother to check.

krastanov 5y ago
I stand corrected on half of a story (I am certainly surprised The Guardian did not make it more clear that they are citing Zelensky, the way WaPo did).
jjulius 5y ago
Did you wanna include the part where outlets corrected themselves? Stories change - you do your best to verify, and then report the change once more information comes out. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island-defenders-who-told-russian-officer-go-fuck-yourself-may-still-be-alive https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island...
- SamPatt 5y ago
  Media reporting falsehoods then later correcting them doesn't mean the media isn't reporting falsehoods. Retractions always - ALWAYS - get less attention than the initial story. They aren't in the business of spreading truth, they are a business with incentives to gain people's attention.
  - oezi 5y ago
    Still a big difference with propaganda which is intentionally misleading with an agenda. For all the mentioned stories it is clear that these weren't drafted up in a backoffice (such as Putin's propaganda about the genocide in eastern Ukraine).
    - thiagoharry 5y ago
      How is this not propaganda if these news source have a side and put much more positive news for one side than the other? Donbass is being shelled for 8 years. UN recognizes more than 10,000 deaths in the conflict there. The few journalists that interviewed people there got some interviews that really describes war crimes (watched recently an italian documentary that collected testimonialsthere). Which is not surprising, since neonazi groups were integrated to Ukranian army. You may dispute that this should be classified as genocide, but there are human rights violations happening there and this is not just Russia propaganda.
pmoriarty 5y ago
Every one of the stories you link make it clear that the reports came from Ukranian sources. Nowhere in these stories do the news outlets claim that the Ukranian reports were independently verified. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about. These news outlets are reporting what Ukranian sources say, just as they report what Russian sources say.
- dustypotato 5y ago
  In the first few sentences, they mention these things as facts. And maybe at the fifth or so, it's mentioned that "Ukrainian media reported". It's clear that they are sourcing it from Ukrainian sources, but they present them as facts too.