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The nuclear reactor was shelled. I saw it live. Doubt it had anything to do with radiation though.

raverbashing 5y ago
The increased radiation is from kicking up dust around Chernobyl Regardless of that it is incredibly stupid to do any kind of fighting around a nuclear plant.
- justsomehnguy 5y ago
  > Regardless of that it is incredibly stupid to do any kind of fighting around a nuclear plant. That goes both ways. I saw the video from the start of the fighting and that was UA forces who started to fire upon oncoming forces from the building to the right on the video. If you mount defenses for something vital for the civilians of your country you should always question how exactly to do that to minimize the damage from the fighting. Given they took positions in the building, started the fight first, had a prerecorded video for Twitter of how they are under attack[0]... Sure, I'm just an arm-chair general, but for me it looks what the Ukrainian force decided to fight on the NPP territory and buildings. [0] go find it you if you didn't saw it. I doubt the first thing what would come to my mind as an operator of a NPP is to fire up a video for a social network.
  - prostoalex 5y ago
    > If you mount defenses for something vital for the civilians of your country In other words, never protect critical civilian infrastructure? Is that the defense playbook you'd propose?
    - justsomehnguy 5y ago
      I assume you never even bothered to look at the map? [0] Like in your playbook there were absolutely no other options there. [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5026803,34.5967556,6233m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5026803,34.5967556,6233m/dat...
imwillofficial 5y ago
It was not shelled, there was a small firefight involving a training building outside the reactor complex. Shelling means artillery. No artillery was involved. You did not “see the reactor get shelled live.”
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  Not only did the reactor get shelled, and not only did I see it live, but I was so amazed at the Russians’ stupidity that I took screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/6T7p9BD https://imgur.com/a/6T7p9BD Those gigantic streaks in the lower right are shells from tanks. They certainly aren’t tracers from rifles.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Could you elaborate why or how you determined/believe that they are tank shots, for the rest of us?
    - sillysaurusx 5y ago
      It’s easier to tell in video form. But basically you could see the shells come from the road in the distance (see the bridge?) all the way past the camera. The still frame probably makes it hard to see the scale. You’re right to press me for details on the “tank” part. I don’t know if the shots are from tanks. But they’re so large that it rules out foot soldiers, so it’s some kind of vehicle-mounted gun. It’s definitely not the kind of thing you want hitting a nuclear reactor.
      - bewaretheirs 5y ago
        Could also be shots from weapons mounted on armored vehicles that aren't strictly speaking tanks. Ex-Soviet mechanized forces (both sides in this fight) field a bewildering array of tracked and wheeled vehicles that look more-or-less tank-like but aren't considered tanks because they are much more lightly armored. They're typically equipped with heavy weapons that are smaller or less powerful than tank main guns but larger than something that could readily be carried by a soldier or two. Tank misidentification satirized here: https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321 https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321

The increased radiation is from kicking up dust around Chernobyl Regardless of that it is incredibly stupid to do any kind of fighting around a nuclear plant.

justsomehnguy 5y ago
> Regardless of that it is incredibly stupid to do any kind of fighting around a nuclear plant. That goes both ways. I saw the video from the start of the fighting and that was UA forces who started to fire upon oncoming forces from the building to the right on the video. If you mount defenses for something vital for the civilians of your country you should always question how exactly to do that to minimize the damage from the fighting. Given they took positions in the building, started the fight first, had a prerecorded video for Twitter of how they are under attack[0]... Sure, I'm just an arm-chair general, but for me it looks what the Ukrainian force decided to fight on the NPP territory and buildings. [0] go find it you if you didn't saw it. I doubt the first thing what would come to my mind as an operator of a NPP is to fire up a video for a social network.
- prostoalex 5y ago
  > If you mount defenses for something vital for the civilians of your country In other words, never protect critical civilian infrastructure? Is that the defense playbook you'd propose?
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    I assume you never even bothered to look at the map? [0] Like in your playbook there were absolutely no other options there. [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5026803,34.5967556,6233m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5026803,34.5967556,6233m/dat...

imwillofficial 5y ago

It was not shelled, there was a small firefight involving a training building outside the reactor complex. Shelling means artillery. No artillery was involved. You did not “see the reactor get shelled live.”

sillysaurusx 5y ago
Not only did the reactor get shelled, and not only did I see it live, but I was so amazed at the Russians’ stupidity that I took screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/6T7p9BD https://imgur.com/a/6T7p9BD Those gigantic streaks in the lower right are shells from tanks. They certainly aren’t tracers from rifles.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Could you elaborate why or how you determined/believe that they are tank shots, for the rest of us?
  - sillysaurusx 5y ago
    It’s easier to tell in video form. But basically you could see the shells come from the road in the distance (see the bridge?) all the way past the camera. The still frame probably makes it hard to see the scale. You’re right to press me for details on the “tank” part. I don’t know if the shots are from tanks. But they’re so large that it rules out foot soldiers, so it’s some kind of vehicle-mounted gun. It’s definitely not the kind of thing you want hitting a nuclear reactor.
    - bewaretheirs 5y ago
      Could also be shots from weapons mounted on armored vehicles that aren't strictly speaking tanks. Ex-Soviet mechanized forces (both sides in this fight) field a bewildering array of tracked and wheeled vehicles that look more-or-less tank-like but aren't considered tanks because they are much more lightly armored. They're typically equipped with heavy weapons that are smaller or less powerful than tank main guns but larger than something that could readily be carried by a soldier or two. Tank misidentification satirized here: https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321 https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321