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I admit it’s difficult to find exact, consistent answers, but what I’ve seen is generally a roughly keto diet with all eating constrained to a 4-8 hour period i

by nynx 5y ago

I admit it’s difficult to find exact, consistent answers, but what I’ve seen is generally a roughly keto diet with all eating constrained to a 4-8 hour period in a day is very healthy. That’s basically what I do: high fat and moderate protein, very low carbohydrates and sugars. One meal a day on average.

Honest_Carrot 5y ago
Same. I've been doing IF for almost 4 years now and I love it. I only do added sugars on the weekends. I do have to take salt while I'm fasting to not get headaches but aside from that it's great.
brandonmenc 5y ago
> One meal a day on average. aka: calorie restriction
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  There is a lot more to nutrition than calories. The main component is "how hungry does this diet leave you feeling". Low carb in most cases leaves people feeling more full. 1600 calories of protein and fat are a lot more filling than 1600 calories of donuts and don't swing your blood sugar levels around like crazy. However you are free to keep on preaching "calorie restriction". Humans are complex machines with a conscious and subconscious not a caloric measurement device in the lab
  - brandonmenc 5y ago
    > how hungry does this diet leave you feeling This still comes all the way back to calorie restriction. If you feel more full, you eat fewer calories. > Low carb in most cases leaves people feeling more full. That has less to do with the carbohydrate content and almost everything to do with low carb food being physically more difficult to digest. Fat and protein stay in your stomach longer than sugar but - and here's the point "low carb" advocates ignore - so does fiber. You can eat a diet of not-low carb, high fiber, plant-based foods and still lose weight while feeling full. There's not enough hormone-altering magic in carbohydrates to overpower the effect of calories or the satiation of physical digestion.
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    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      Your post smells of gaslighting. I'll leave it to the reader to decide what they want. Keto has been the best of several diets that I've tried. * It does decrease hunger relative to other diets (for me, possibly others) * It doesn't have to just be steak and bacon. It's encouraged that people add in broccoli, celery, cauliflower, nuts, berries, and a variety of meats, not just steak, bacon and cheese * It is much easier on your insulin levels than traditional diets * It can include plenty of fiber * Diets need to include psychology and account for it. A successful diet will not just be "calories-in/calories-out". Very few people have the will power to starve themselves to a successful weight. Almost all of the people I've met that said that never successfully lost weight or never had a weight problem to begin with. * Don't talk down to people when clearly they have had success and have studied the topic.
      - brandonmenc 5y ago
        I pretty much agree with everything you're saying here. The only thing we seem to disagree on is that I believe a successful diet is overwhelmingly due to CICO. Yes, it's not the only aspect of a successful diet, but it is mandatory. I also agree that everyone needs to tailor their diet to their individual psychological needs, but not at the expense of CICO. > Don't talk down to people when clearly they have had success and have studied the topic. If we're comparing anecdotes, I always have success losing weight with a mainstream healthy diet (moderate protein, moderate carbs including some sugars, very low fat). I have had success with other diets - including high fat ones, which I don't do anymore because I don't think it's healthy. In every case I attribute my success to weighing food and tracking calories.
      - CardenB 5y ago
        I don’t see where anyone has talked down to you in this discussion. Could you elaborate?

by nynx 5y ago

Honest_Carrot 5y ago

Same. I've been doing IF for almost 4 years now and I love it. I only do added sugars on the weekends. I do have to take salt while I'm fasting to not get headaches but aside from that it's great.

brandonmenc 5y ago

> One meal a day on average. aka: calorie restriction

stjohnswarts 5y ago
There is a lot more to nutrition than calories. The main component is "how hungry does this diet leave you feeling". Low carb in most cases leaves people feeling more full. 1600 calories of protein and fat are a lot more filling than 1600 calories of donuts and don't swing your blood sugar levels around like crazy. However you are free to keep on preaching "calorie restriction". Humans are complex machines with a conscious and subconscious not a caloric measurement device in the lab
- brandonmenc 5y ago
  > how hungry does this diet leave you feeling This still comes all the way back to calorie restriction. If you feel more full, you eat fewer calories. > Low carb in most cases leaves people feeling more full. That has less to do with the carbohydrate content and almost everything to do with low carb food being physically more difficult to digest. Fat and protein stay in your stomach longer than sugar but - and here's the point "low carb" advocates ignore - so does fiber. You can eat a diet of not-low carb, high fiber, plant-based foods and still lose weight while feeling full. There's not enough hormone-altering magic in carbohydrates to overpower the effect of calories or the satiation of physical digestion.
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  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Your post smells of gaslighting. I'll leave it to the reader to decide what they want. Keto has been the best of several diets that I've tried. * It does decrease hunger relative to other diets (for me, possibly others) * It doesn't have to just be steak and bacon. It's encouraged that people add in broccoli, celery, cauliflower, nuts, berries, and a variety of meats, not just steak, bacon and cheese * It is much easier on your insulin levels than traditional diets * It can include plenty of fiber * Diets need to include psychology and account for it. A successful diet will not just be "calories-in/calories-out". Very few people have the will power to starve themselves to a successful weight. Almost all of the people I've met that said that never successfully lost weight or never had a weight problem to begin with. * Don't talk down to people when clearly they have had success and have studied the topic.
    - brandonmenc 5y ago
      I pretty much agree with everything you're saying here. The only thing we seem to disagree on is that I believe a successful diet is overwhelmingly due to CICO. Yes, it's not the only aspect of a successful diet, but it is mandatory. I also agree that everyone needs to tailor their diet to their individual psychological needs, but not at the expense of CICO. > Don't talk down to people when clearly they have had success and have studied the topic. If we're comparing anecdotes, I always have success losing weight with a mainstream healthy diet (moderate protein, moderate carbs including some sugars, very low fat). I have had success with other diets - including high fat ones, which I don't do anymore because I don't think it's healthy. In every case I attribute my success to weighing food and tracking calories.
    - CardenB 5y ago
      I don’t see where anyone has talked down to you in this discussion. Could you elaborate?